Should she have worn a dress?

Many people -sadly, less perceptive than you - noticed that men at these events tend to wear similar outfits. Now, I do understand that you have stared at these men and their suits in great detail, so you feel it's really unfair that we noticed they all looked about the same. But, sorry ... they do all look the same

That completely missed the point I was making about the criticism men get when they depart from classic black tie.

But, unless a person is a misogynist or rather witless, they'll probably support her, won't they? So what is the issue?

Tell me Jeanne am I misogynist or rather witless?

Why do I have to "support" her? I find it all rather tedious. The Oscars has a dress code- if it's too much effort - don't go.

Yes, I know that. But Fry seemed pissed off that the world didn't know it and called him out on insulting her.

Fry is one of her best friends.

I may still be narked about this shite from Fry:

But there is scant evidence that Fry learnt from his experience of allowing words to tumble out of his mouth unedited. Just a year later he told Attitude magazine that “the only reason women will have sex is that sex is the price they are willing to pay for a relationship with a man, which is what they want”. Later he tried to accuse the journalist of misquoting him, though a quick listen of the tape showed that not to be the case.

A sparkly skull, no less!

Yeah, there was the hoo ha about Fry calling her a bag lady then flouncing off Twitter because he knows her and it was a joke that she laughed at and we should all know his BFFs and of course he wasn't insulting a woman on the basis of looks because that never happens and we are all ignorant proles whilst he is a special snowflake who can do no wrong.

Something like that, anyway!

Wasn't there a similar thread after the BAFTA awards? I think she should wear what she damned well pleases.

Besides, there was sparkly stuff on the back of her jacket. That should count for something.

lass, I think there is a distinction between attention-seeking, and raising awareness - isn't there?

This woman started a widespread conversation. Many people -sadly, less perceptive than you - noticed that men at these events tend to wear similar outfits. Now, I do understand that you have stared at these men and their suits in great detail, so you feel it's really unfair that we noticed they all looked about the same. But, sorry ... they do all look the same.

Women at awards, OTOH, are required to look very different.

This is a bit, you know, unequal in terms of gender. Right? So, the answer might be to try to raise awareness. Obviously, a feminist raising awareness might anticipate a negative reaction. Misogynists often come out with those. But, unless a person is a misogynist or rather witless, they'll probably support her, won't they? So what is the issue?

The woman had the skill to design and make the most incredible costumes in cinema, I think she can wear what the fuck she likes to collect her award!

Sharon Stone went in a $10 t-shirt from Gap one year. Perhaps somewhat surprisingly, she did have a skirt on too That was a protest about how much people were expected to shell out on their clothes, nails and whatnot. That said, I don't think anyone expects the people in the technical categories to look fabulous, do they? More for the slebs.

I don't think she is complaining is she? I doubt she gives a rat's arse what people think, and more power to her

OK, others complaining on her behalf.

Pharell went about like a demented Mountie for ages what were they hats about Helena bonheim carter looks like she fell out a skip on every red carpet

If you are seeking attention you can't really complain if it the reaction is negative; or if you choose to decide to make a stand at an event which is intended to be glamourous and glitzy that some are not impressed.

I don't think she is complaining is she? I doubt she gives a rat's arse what people think, and more power to her.

It doesn't matter what a woman wears to a do like that, the fashion police will be criticising and judging regardless. Magazines give marks out of 10 etc. Men definitely have it easier being able to wear a suit - you don't hear much said about their outfits.

If she'd worn a posh frock, I'd bet my bottom dollar the press would have been all over her for being 'overweight' and 'mutton dressed as lamb'.

And yes, she probably wouldn't have turned up in couture because she almost certainly doesn't earn anything like those in more high-profile positions; and if she'd worn a 'normal' dress from a shop, again it would have been pored over and critiqued to high heaven (I can imagine words like 'cheap' and 'high-street' – as a pejorative –being bandied about).

Those arseholes like the overrated Inarritu not clapping and sitting there with cat's-bum faces ought to be ashamed of themselves.

I didn't realise men had turned up in shorts!

Shorts, even smart ones, are not black tie. If shorts are ok, a leather jacket is also ok.

Yes I'm sure they were looking at swan lady's hair

Am loving comments re designer swans. I had to google to see what you are talking about and note that Bjork appeared not to have brushed her hair either. But no doubt everyone would assume in her case that it had been artfully styled to look unbrushed.

I agree with lass she must have been expecting attention - but don't see that this is a bad thing. She's started a big debate about whether or not it's appropriate for women be judged on their clothes and I applaud her for that

Men do get judged on their clothes. I have seen criticism of men who mess up the black tie code.

If you are seeking attention you can't really complain if it the reaction is negative; or if you choose to decide to make a stand at an event which is intended to be glamourous and glitzy that some are not impressed.

She should wear what she wants.
Who cares?
She is very talented, has won the top award in her field, what does it matter what she wears / did not respect the dress code?

Let her alone.

I can't believe that this is such a contentious story in today's society - of course she should wear what the hell she wants. As long as it isn't offensive (e.g. Nazi fancy dress!) then go for it. The winging about showing a bit of respect for the others there is a non starter considering their lack of respect for her. She is being recognised for her talent FFS.

I noticed on the short clip of her making her way to the podium that the few people who were clapping were women.

Jennifer lawrence is hilarious I love her.

She herself has stated that she had actually dressed up for the evening.

Of course she was going to get attention, winning a major award for doing your job really well is probably the very definition of getting attention, isn't it?

Looking down your nose at someone for dressing in a way they find comfortable when it it them that is being honoured and not you looks abit like sour grapes. The men who didn't clap should be heartily ashamed of themselves.

On a slightly more uplifting note, I really like the #AskHerMore campaign encouraging less mindless questioning on the red carpet. Obviously J-Law handled this the best after she won her Oscar when she was asked what her 'process' was for getting ready and she was like 'I had a shower. I put on the dress. It fit. I went to the Oscars'. Hilarious.

But tribpot, what on earth are you thinking? Are you suggesting that there might be double standards at play here?

I am going off to search for the thread about how Pharrell should have dressed smarter and more suited to the occasion. And how unclean he looks. And how self-indulgent and show-offy he is. And how he should have respected the dress code if he wanted to go. And if he had turned up dressed how he wanted, he should have been turned away.

I might be some time.

Yeah a designer made the swan no off the rail swans allowed