FGM, Should We Soften Our Approach?

Milk... are you seriously suggesting that Nimko Ali and Hibo Wadare don't see these things from their point of view?

Subjecting your daughter to FGM is not an act of love, no matter the culture. It's abuse of the worst kind. This isn't frothing, this is fact. If you can't see that, then maybe you need to rethink your position.

And yes, all kinds of people came to me with all kinds of problems when I was a HCP.

I think that's the difficulty isn't it. It's such an intimate thing, so hard to detect.

You need mothers to trust health professionals so that this can be prevented. People need to be reeducated.

You all mention 'fear' but do you really expect a woman who has barely anything in common with you to come to you?
Why would anyone want to come to you with fears when you clearly aren't making any effort to see things from her point of view?
Froth at the mouth and chant mutilation! Abuse! Prosecution! Yes, it is those things but you are not going to get a fearful (or loving) parent to open up to you that way.

I don't think it's fair to jump on milk here, she said she was against legalisation of any degree of FGM.

I read aayan hirsi Ali about her experiences of FGM and it's true that her sister saw it as a rite of passage, the start of womanhood. Her description of FGM is shocking stuff.

Of course in the UK it's quite rightly regarded as serious child abuse and I have seen information campaigns Warning people that it is illegal - I think the authorities are especially vigilant during the 'cutting season' where children are taken out of the country to be abused in the school holidays.

Those poor little girls

No, there should be no softening of approach to FGM. What we do have to do is bring women and men from the countries and cultures that practice it further into health promotion campaigns.

There's still a lot of misinformation about it. A lot of people still believe that it's a muslim practice, when it isn't. Mothers don't do this out of love, they do it out of fear. Fear that their daughter won't be acceptable to some man's family, fear that she will be seen as unclean, fear that she will be shunned. That's not even close to love.

Hibo Wadare and Nimko Ali do amazing work spreading awareness of the issues, Daughters of Eve also.

I fear though that, until there is a prosecution, it's all going to just be words without deeds, and more young girls are going to be mutilated and harmed.

milk you have just explained exactly everything that is wrong with the ethos of the NHS. The lot if you need to remember the difference between right and wrong and stop making flipping excuses.

Your views are precisely why I had little time for HVs and school nurses - none of whom were good enough to share their version of PsHE and relationships with my children.

I don't think mothers mutilate their daughters out of love. They do it out of fear - of being different, unclean and unmarriageable.

Yeah its crap.

Sorry MilkofAmnesia. I re-read and realise I was a bit harsh in misunderstanding.

Izlet, no there has not.

MilkofAmnesia there is so much wrong about your post it's impossible to begin.

No, Izlet. Which is appalling.

Has there actually been a successful prosecution for FGM in the UK?

I understand your outrage, FGM is barbaric, but as a HCP I really do think we need to alter our approach to it.
We are so quick to condemn it (obviously) that I think it's easy to forget woman who have had it done are proud they feel clean and acceptable and want the same for their daughters. They perform the act out of love which I think to the western mind is just unfathomable.
I don't think legalising any degree of it is the answer, but right now I don't think we can expect any form of change or even debate with such a 'We know best' attitude. Only we do know . It's so hard

The law should be extended so that anyone promoting FGM, or writing papers encouraging the practice is struck off from their profession.

Imagine saying they should have taken a softer approach to foot binding?

Totally agree.

FGM is a form of torture. The only acceptable level of torture is none. Freedom from torture is an absolute human right; it's not negotiable or dependent on culture.

Never mind soften, I'd like to see them take a harder approach.

I agree with you op. We don't live in a barbaric or medieval society and those who come here for whatever reason need to adjust to our society and to equality.

FGM is illegal; where it is identified those who perpetrate it must be dealt with according to the law. There has been far too much pussy footing over it.