Trans women as NUS Women's Officer- Part 2

Yes mrsjamin
Mine are;

PMT that makes me throw up/pass out
Being masdturbated and cum over by a stranger whilst I slept on a beach
Having a man rub his penis on me whilst on a bus
Being raped by an ex whilst he gouged my eyeballs with his thumbs
Being asked in 2 interviews whether I plan on having more children
1 miscarriage
Pelvic Sympthasis Distinction which meant I couldn't walk for 9 months
2 successful pregnancies and births
Having my vagina stitched up badly after a badly doine episiotomy and living with the consequences
Breast feeding
Sexism at work

There's probably more than a little bit of "please don't throw me under the bus if I say I love you - look over there - a terf!"

Completely agree with this

I've been wondering what "living as a woman" entails for Lee. Some examples of my own would be:

• channeled into a predominantly female degree/career rather than one I actually showed flair in (ie STEM)
• harassed on a bridge in the dark by a man following me saying "I'd like to fuck you"
• Being overlooked by managers for a promotion given that I'd been married a few years without having had a baby yet
• being paid the same now as I was 8 years ago just because I feel lucky to have a part time job and questioning whether I deserve to be paid any more considering I'm not working full time.

You'd have to have been living under a rock for a good few years not to realise that women are also terrified not to toe the party line. Since deviation from the current zeitgeist inevitably ends with "die in a fire TERF scum".

What would you say is the currently predominant view represented in the media and popular opinion? Because I'm getting that every newspaper and TV News station is of the opinion that TW are totally women, only bigots would dispute this, and Germaine Greer is a hateful doddery old relic.

So do I think the support AL receives is all genuine heartfelt enthusiasm? Nope. Not all.

There's probably more than a little bit of "please don't throw me under the bus if I say I love you - look over there - a terf!"

JAPAB the problem is most students won't actually bother to vote. I've recently left university and most of my student friends didn't (and still don't for those who are still students) bother voting in the student union or NUS elections. For me it's about more than just the impact on students though, it's about a wider issue and what it means for women in future. Thing is most of the people who support Anna categorically wouldn't support a man standing for the same position.

Exactly Pretty !!

Japab - the voting is done by 'representatives' at a conference.

stressed

That's my view, too. Either the post of Women's Officer is filled by a 'representative woman' or it's filled by someone who 'represents women'.

The former requires a female/biological woman who can relate to many of the issues women face, the latter can be anyone; male, female, trans-.

A trans-woman cannot be a representative woman, as they have not personally experienced of the types of issues women face. They can however, represent women; but then, so could a man!

What about "go on, son!"?

Add a "my" in there, as in "go on, my son!" and I've heard it a few times, said to and about men.

which means a man can run, right?

Just a thought, but when it is a democratically elected position, whoever the women vote for would hopefully be someone they are comfortable with representing them. What I mean is, if Anna does win, then that is what those who voted wanted?

Have been reading these threads with interest. I ended up in an argument with a friend who supports Anna Lee. The more I read and think about this, the angrier I become. One of the points my friend made was that she wouldn't want a man to stand but Anna Lee is okay because she's a woman and I'm transphobic to suggest otherwise. Yet her main point is this: "no one person can ever represent an entire gender - and that's not the of the role" which means a man can run, right? The mind boggles...

Dammit, i knew i'd fucked up there

Still more manly than Dh though

Who is currently watching Frozen...by himself

Ah. Would you say that to anyone over the age of ten RomCom?

"Get in there"?

What about "go on, son!"?

Rufus, not sure that I have ever heard a man say 'go me' - it would never occur to most that going somewhere (if they wish to go there) is not or maybe best not be an option. If that makes sense.

'You go, girl!!' has no masculine equivalent.

Possibly over-thinking here, but enjoy your beer nonetheless

slugs I thought the same when I watched the voice, Theo didn't have a chance did he.

Yes I feel that too. But the ugly truth is that almost all of the violence, sexual or otherwise, against girls and women will be by men. I absolutely couldn't care less what sexual orientation my daughters' teachers have, it is none of my business at all, but I would not like a man, dressed up as a woman, to supervise them changing for sports or swimming. Or for them to have to share loos, showers or changing rooms with boys.

Narcisism - why be a straight male person when you can be a queer gender-fluid person, WITHOUT BEING ANY DIFFERENT AT ALL?!
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Yes Maryz, that could happen v easily, and I would not be happy putting my daughters in that position. Would the policy makers feel fine if their elderly mothers were put in a bed next to a man when in hospital? Or if their young daughters were expected to change in front of a self identified "lesbian" with a penis?

Hermione! How horrendous. Honestly, how is that keeping women safe?
Lumpy, your comments about narcissm are spot on, I do get the feeling that for some teens, the extra attention that being trans gives them, as opposed to being gay, or being an effeminate heterosexual, does push them towards a trans identity.

Did i ruin it by going...go me!!!

I am sat on the sofa, watching age of ultron, mans dressing gown on, no makeup, haven't styled my very short hair, drinking a beer

So i am already living like a man, and i my real first name can be used for both men and women

go me !!!!