Rapist has sentence reduced as judge says there is no indication that it was anything other than a 'single impusive act'

It'll.

Clearly not really outraged by you. I find your opinions pretty low on the whole.

It is violent to put your penis into an orifice where it's not wanted.

The person is violated. They are treated with violence.

"Ruling on his appeal against the sentence, Sir Declan accepted the attack involved violence, but not a gratuitous type."

Is it just me, or is that nonsense? The definition of "gratuitous" is "Done without good reason, uncalled for". How could this have been anything but gratuitous?

itllallbefine - I am curious about whether you would consider the anal rape of a drugged or unconscious man to be violent?

itllallbefine

You're twisting words and comments now, both your own and others.

No one has said that if it doesn't hurt it isn't rape so stop accusing others of this.

I find you implying that I am fucking rape apologist typical of a .................. fucking rape apologist.

Rape is a most violent act

a man is totally over powering you by forcing a part of himself inside you

How can that not be violent

A punch in the face a kick in the stomach are also violent acts but it's the power that at that point he has total control that is so frightening

And as for fighting back well the fear of death is more frighting than they fear of being raped how may times do we read about women not screaming as they feared they were going to be killed if they did

Talking of pain, its interesting then that the penis has evolved such that it's particularly insensitive to pain - or touch, feeling hot or cold for that matter.

Quite the stoic.

I haven't once called you a rape apologist. But I maintain that putting a penis inside someone's vagina, mouth or anus when they don't want it, or cannot consent to it being there is inherently a violent act.

the act of forcing a penis into a vagina IS a violent act...."putting" one in, which is the fucking term used on here unchallenged ad. infinitium. is not violent in the standard english usage of the word.

Draenor I don't know what fucking thread you are reading, or why you think I am rape apologist.

Google "violence"

Now, if I was raped and I did not suffer pain, and my vagina was lubricated because perhaps i had agreed to another sex act I enjoyed, etc... simply stating that every rape is violent is not all that helpful... it doesn't matter whether it is violent or not for it to be rape.

And where are you reading that?

To quote myself I said And even women who have been raped when unconscious either by drugs or trauma, report pain

So what - if you don't experience pain, then what ? Doesn't it count ?

Ok it wasn't my post you quoted but the point still stands. BigJock said no such thing.

I suppose the sentence for murder would be reduced if it didn't involve gratuitous violence, just enough to ensure that the victim was dead

Yes - lucky guess was it ?

so big jock you are saying that if you weren't hurt it doesn't count....and I'm the fucking rape apologist.

Hang on, you accused me of straw man then come out with this shit?

Draenor It depends upon when she withdrew consent and how she was feeling just before it. You are the one who is defining parameters and insisting on the usage of words that have very well defined meanings.

What the hell are you talking about?! If she's been drugged and is out cold she CANNOT consent! Or is this kind of rape "not the bad kind?"

You stated: There is no evidence that I'm aware of that a man committing date rape is thrusting more violently or forcing himself onto the women with more damaging force than if the women had fully consented

I pointed out that even when a rapist can physically manipulate a woman in to any position because she is unconscious women still report pain after the crime had taken place. Pain because even though they were unconscious force was still required

EKL, I suppose the sentence for murder would be reduced if it didn't involve gratuitous violence, just enough to ensure that the victim was dead.

so big jock you are saying that if you weren't hurt it doesn't count....and I'm the fucking rape apologist.

Where did I say that?

As far as I can see I said that force will always be required even if the woman is unconcious

To quote myself I said And even women who have been raped when unconscious either by drugs or trauma, report pain

and why use the verb "put" to describe a forced entry - wtf is that all about ?

so big jock you are saying that if you weren't hurt it doesn't count....and I'm the fucking rape apologist.

Draenor It depends upon when she withdrew consent and how she was feeling just before it. You are the one who is defining parameters and insisting on the usage of words that have very well defined meanings.

stealth No - it does not.

There is no evidence that I'm aware of that a man committing date rape is thrusting more violently or forcing himself onto the women with more damaging force than if the women had fully consented.

Are you fucking kidding me? If a woman has been drugged of COURSE he will have to enter her with more "damaging force". Will her vagina be sufficiently lubricated as a conscious, consenting woman's would be? Will she be in a position conducive to him entering her?
No, he'll probably have to pull her about until she's where he wants her then rape her. Sorry for being blunt but that was an awful comment you made. [ngry]

FFS.

We are on a thread about rape, logic states that we are not talking about a well lubricated vagina that has expanded to allow consensual sex to take place.

While the body may as a method of self protection produce fluids to try to prevent tearing, some force will be require to get the penis fully in to the vagina.

And even women who have been d raped when unconscious either by drugs or trauma report pain.

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I actually believe that fighting back is decent advice at times, it strikes me that a lot of men who commit rape don't really thing they have, they just needed to be persuasive or persistent."
Better advice would v
don't rape

It really is that simple and puts the onus on he perpetrator rather than victim.

The act of putting a penis into a vagina is only not violent if and only if the woman wants it there.

I'm staggered that you would believe otherwise. Are you a woman?