Rapist has sentence reduced as judge says there is no indication that it was anything other than a 'single impusive act'

I may as well Google unicorn shit.

seriously bigjock, google non violent rape....is this really that shocking to you ?

And i don't believe that men go with prostitutes because they hate women either.

Seriously…

They're certainly not out to do the prostitute any good, are they.

so it would only be an act of violence if were "intended to harm" - do you think men using a prostitute are doing so purely with the intention to harm the women ?

And I 100% agree with you, Rufus.

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Very true, but thats why i think that all rape is a violent act even if not all rapes are "violent"

But, getting picky on semantics now, even "force" doesn't necessarily require physical strength - being unconscious and unable to give consent, the perpetrator is forcing you to have sex purely because there is no consent. They're not asking, they're just doing it. You have been forced to do something you did not want, purely because it was done without your permission or consent.

Itall you don't seem to be remembering that a doctor will have obtained consent to carry out a medical procedure, a rapist has not got consent so the two situations are not directly comparable. Rape is a violent act, whether it inflicts pain or not.

most of the dictionary definitions i have looked at use the word "force" which obvioulsy makes it a violent act

The legal definition is just "without consent" which i assume is meant to cover people deemed not to be able to give consent

www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/violence
Worth a read, especially where "do violence to" is included = "Damage or adversely affect".

I think that covers the fact that ANY unwanted penetration by a penis qualifies as an act of violence, and therefore is rape.

Erm, I didn't pick the example.
No, it is not possible to be raped without violence. You can't rape someone gently.
You have just stated on a public forum that if a drugged person were anally raped it would not be a violent act. Once again, you're disgusting. And as your ravings are illogical and barely coherent, I won't be carrying on. Absolutely foul.

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One hopes the doctor had consent

You were the one that picked that as presumably you do not believe that things can be put up an unconscious persons bum without the use of violence. Try telling that to a doctor. the problem you have is that it involves a penis and you, for whatever reason, cannot accept that it is possible to be raped without the use of violence. I cannot understand your insistence on this position especially when i presume you also believe that women should not be judged for not requiring their rapists to use violence to commit the rape ? the mind boggles...anyway this is pointless.

I am finding it very difficult to understand how anyone can find anal rape of an unconscious person non-violent

Or vaginal rape for that matter

I understand that legally there may be "levels" of violence

I'll use whatever verb I like.
Anyone who claims the anal rape of a drugged human is not a violent act is a disgrace to humanity.

You are being totally unreasonable and illogical, and I don't give a shit whether i disgust you or not. On the one hand you accept that an act of rape can be conducted under circumstances where the sexual act itself is not physically violent, then on the other you state that such an admittance is disgusting....make your f'in mind up.

And stop using the verb "putting" to describe how an unwanted penis gets into a vagina if you are so sure it always involves violence.

For me, in your example, that's a violent act. Mostly because it's fucking damaging to the poor woman in question. Maybe not in terms of her vagina, but in terms of her mental health. He's contributed to the damage of her mental wellbeing. And, ask yourself, how many men pay for a trafficked woman and fuck them "gently?"

Your response to the drugged man question disgusts me.

Sorry - draenor no i would not consider it to be violent in that instance.

Now - would you care to share your own thoughts on my example - is that violent ? Is it not rape - is it rape and therefore violent because all rape has to be violent or is not rape ?

Did you get a chance to think about Wil's question, itll?

I am curious about whether you would consider the anal rape of a drugged or unconscious man to be violent?

GruntledOne I think it helps if you remember the purpose of the exercise - to decide upon the length of sentence to be served. For the violence inherent in the commission of rape where there are no aggravating or mitigating circumstances, then the starting point is five years. If there is any excessive violence over and above that necessary to carry out the crime, then the defendant would be looking at an increase in sentence beyond the initial five years It's this second level of violence which is sometimes called gratuitous violence .

This is not the first thread where i have been "accused" of being a man.

let me give you another example.

A trafficked woman, prostituted by a violent gang. Some dickhead pays to have sex with her, in my view that is rape. However, there is no violence involved in the act of sex, she does not resist, the man may be gentle, but it still rape.

And out of interest, why would a women not hold these opinions scallops - are they not the correct flavour of female views is that it ?

It's the old adage of men defining what constitutes as violence against a woman, GruntledOne.

Are you a woman itllallbefine?

I think it's important, if not essential, to know the sex of someone when discussing with them, what is and is not violent about a man putting their penis in you without your consent.