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Transgender thoughts from a transgender

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ripples101 · 16/02/2016 00:14

Hi

I recently joined mumsnet in order to post some of my thoughts on another thread that was active on this site at that time. After I did so, I received, from many of you, really positive, encouraging feedback. After I did so, I received no negative thoughts from any of you. And for that, I want to take this opportunity to thank you all.

The reason why I've decided to create this thread is to expand on what it means to me to be transgender, and to share with you all my concerns in regards to issues that are being discussed currently in the public sphere. I want to say right now that my thoughts relate to my own experiences as a biological male who identifies and presents as society would dictate a biological female to present.

First of all, I want to make it clear that while I am transgender, my own thoughts in regards to being identified as such do not sit well with me at all, to the point that I actually want to "revoke" my trans identity. For what this "identity" is seemingly intent on becoming is something that I can no longer identify with. This creates somewhat of a "catch 22" situation for me in the sense of how do I actually go forward and identify myself if the label that was once most suited to encapsulating who I am no longer has any resonance with me?

The only answer I've been able to come up with in response to that question is that I have to formulate my own identity, and in doing so only hope that others can understand what that identity may be. At the time of writing this post, I've failed in that regard. For no matter what word I use, others will already have a preconceived idea of what the word that I may end up using actually means. And so it remains difficult for me to be able to correctly and succinctly express to others who I am and how I wish to be regarded.

I'm going to start by providing an analogy. An analogy that I personally think encompasses the issue that every single transgender experiences. An analogy that gets right to the heart of the very meaning behind identifying oneself in terms of the gender presuppositions that are put on every single one of us.

The analogy that I'm going to use, somewhat aptly, somewhat ironically, relates to the word "binary", and what it means in computer/mathmatical terminology. That is, "1" and "0". For the sake of this analogy, let's say biological females equal "1", whereas biological males equal "0". For the sake of this analogy, there is nothing in between. No 0.5. No 1.5. Only ever "1" and "0". Now let's assume that in the case of a transgender person who was born male, all they have ever known is 0. Yet they don't feel happy as a 0. The only other alternative that is open to them in order to escape their own unhappiness at being 0 therefore is to become (or at least identify as being) 1. Yet they have no experience of what it actually means to be a 1. All they know is that being 1 allows them to escape from their actual identity of being a 0.

What I am getting at by using this analogy I hope is clear to everyone here. To bring it down to a personal level, if I am not happy being male, then the only other alternative open to me is to identify as, express myself as, a female. And the only way I can do that is to push away my male identity and present as female, using signifiers that society and culture dictates are traditionally associated with the opposite sex. Such signifiers being pronouns, clothes, body shape, societal roles, etc.

It's for this reason that I believe so many transgendered people, after transitioning, remain unhappy. For while they may have "escaped" the gender that they can't associate/identify with, the gender to which they have escaped to doesn't resonate with them either. When the only option from escaping from "0" is to become "1", then it's only after becoming "1" that they will then know if "1" is actually what they really needed to become. Put simply, there is no guarantee that that actually is the case, and the only way to find whether it is or isn't, is to experience both.

This leads me to a conclusion that I can not escape from. That conclusion being, a transgender person is simply unhappy being with and of themselves. And that is a frightening thought, and I say that as a transgender person myself.

The only comfort I can garner from this is not to identify as either a 1 or 0. As either male or female. Not something in between, just simply as neither. To put it succinctly, not feeling like a man doesn't make me a woman. To put it even more succinctly, how can I possibly say that I feel like a woman if I've only ever been a man?

Yet this is what you will hear transgender people say all the time. I can only conclude that I, and others who have said such a thing, simply have no idea what such a comment actually means. All I can ever say is that I'm not happy being male. And I can see now that the idea that "not happy being male" must therefore somehow equate to being female is an incredibly offensive thought process to have to those that actually are female.

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Sophie38 · 19/02/2016 09:08

I wonder if, for yourself and others perhaps, it might be worth looking at what it is exactly that makes you uncomfortable being identified as a man.

That, to me, is at the heart of this. I think you have pretty much hit the nail on the head.

I will give a brief outline of my own situation - I'm female, and I am afraid of other females because when I was small, I sensed that my mother, my sister and other female relatives and friends didn't approve of me. I somehow wasn't doing it 'right'.

So I thought men would like me more, but that actually isn't the case - I'm conditioned to be more confident around men, because the men I knew when I was small, liked me more. Or seemed to. So that made me form a bias.

Maybe it is something like that. I don't particularly identify as anything, to me gender is just your biology, nothing more or less. Sometimes I think I could easily be a bloke in the eyes of society, purely based on my behaviours and physical/social etc preferences, but it would be a nonsense for me to claim that I am actually male, because I'm not and never will be until I can turn back time and be born with a willy.

Which I'm not keen to do anyway Smile

To me gender is pretty much an irrelevance when I consider what to wear, so, look like or who to sleep with. It doesn't matter. There are seven billion people in the world and each of us has our own identity, and it's not male or female in any way other than through our physiology - and our own imagination.

DeadPooled · 19/02/2016 08:46

My partner is gender fluid (biologicallyfemale) and I usually avoid any trans threads on MN because I've read some very upsetting opinions.

It's such an individual thing. I believe gender is a spectrum, like sexuality. And the sooner people realise this the happier the world will be.

I hope you can find peace OP. Flowers

MatildaBeetham · 19/02/2016 08:37

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HelpfulChap · 19/02/2016 07:12

I have little to no experience on a personal level of this issue but I found your OP and subsequent posters comments interesting and thought provoking.

Your binary analogy fits quite well with a documentary i saw regarding Iranian homosexuals that are forced to have compulsory sex changes (please forgive if I have used the incorrect terminology).

I hope you find what you are looking for and have the future you desire.

VinceNoirLovesHowardMoon · 19/02/2016 07:03

Thank you ripples! What a great post.

Seriouslyffs · 19/02/2016 00:02

Thank you.

TheWatchersCouncil · 18/02/2016 23:31

Oh Ripples - thank you for sharing this. Extraordinarily generous of you and very moving.
As many of us said on one of the other threads, there is space for you here, and people who will listen and provide support where we can.
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TheWatchersCouncil · 18/02/2016 23:27

ripples!! I was thinking about you today and wondering how you were! So pleased you are here. Not even read your OP yet, but as soon as I saw it was you, I wanted to say hello Smile.

Right. Back to your OP!

Quodlibet · 18/02/2016 21:17

What I find sad about the whole affair is the perception that gender is/has to be binary. As others have said, it seems that at different times, there's been more acceptability of androgeny/versions of gender expression. Gender expression isn't stable across time or geography - there are so many variations of normal and permissible. It seems like such a massive shame that people who feel unhappy boxed into one traditional gender expression don't see or feel that it's a valid option to explore and to find an expression that makes them happier but which isn't '0' or '1'.

What I find concerning about transgender messaging is the reductive binary that is often offered up. You don't feel like a man/boy? Fine, then you CAN be a woman/girl! What about it being OK not to be a manly man man, but without the assertion that this means you are in that case woman??

Thelilywhite · 18/02/2016 20:38

I thought your post was very moving op. I wish you all the best for the future

Easyeieio · 18/02/2016 19:41

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PenguinVox · 18/02/2016 16:01

The title of that article is quite telling - "conservative family"

grimbletart · 18/02/2016 12:56

Flowers ripples. Inspiring post.

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/family/meet-the-conservative-christian-family-whose-baby-daughter-wante/

Even the staid old Daily Torygraph is into transgender now. In this case "girl as boy". Big feature.

As I read it I thought about my young childhood. Hated dresses, dolls, domestic shit toys etc. Wore cords (bit pre jean for kids era), had my hair cut short, people called me "sonny", said I was going to be a boy when I grew up. That was the early 1950s.

Here I am, female, straight, golden wedding this year, grown up children, still nearly always wear trousers, hate domesticity and all that shit, love sport and more "male" interests. Dread to think what might have happened if I had been small today.

What's more, I don't know what it feels like to be "a woman" despite periods, childbirth, menopause and (earlier) rampant job discrimination. I only know how to be me. So how the hell a transgender woman magically knows what it is to be a woman is beyond me. God knows I've had long enough as one, and I still don't have a clue.

WilLiAmHerschel · 18/02/2016 08:41

genderapostates.com/

I think someone shared this link on the other thread you were on ripples, but I'll put it here just in case not.

Clonakiltylil · 17/02/2016 23:50

Ripples, I really admire your honesty and your integrity. So few people are able to admit that what they thought would make them happy was not what they needed at all.

Like other posters, I wish you well and hope that you manage to find equilibrium.
Best wishes.

Shallishanti · 17/02/2016 22:49

phew, thanks

MyCrispBag · 17/02/2016 22:42

Great post Ripples, I found your analogy especially interesting. I am ashamed to say that it was reading Aoife Hart and others that actually brought about my "peak trans" moment. Up until finding these interesting insightful people I had just assumed that the 'terfs' were being bigotted.

It must be really difficult to feel like you do and I can understand why some transwomen are attracted to the (seemingly) dominating view that a woman is whatever you say it is. It's a simple answer to a complex question and when the issue is negatively effecting you to such an extent I imagine it must be a real relief to have that answer. I know that some of the 'Gender Apostates' have had some horrible abuse from what is supposedly their own community in much the same way so called 'terf's' have.

ICJump · 17/02/2016 22:33

Oh fuck! I'm must learn to edit before pressing post. As I've merged the two of them into one name. Sorry for the confusion.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 17/02/2016 22:14

Or Aofie Assumpta Hart.

aoifeschatology.com/

WilLiAmHerschel · 17/02/2016 21:58

I think the pp means Miranda Yardley.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/08/kellie-maloney-newsnight-and-debate-transgender-community-refused-have

Shallishanti · 17/02/2016 21:52

eh what?
Miranda Hart is a gender critical transwoman?
(boggles)

however, insightful post from OP, best of luck to you

ICJump · 16/02/2016 22:16

I wonder if you have had a chance to connect with any gender critical trans women. Miranda hart is one and there are others.

And while it may sound at odds with your feelings at first you might find some comfort in rad feminism. Because while you'll never be a women (adult human female) you should not have to live within the strict and harsh socially constructed gender boundaries.

I know the pain of being deeply unhappy with my body and wishing desperately to be something else. I try very hard to reconcile this daily so I have empathy for you situation

WilLiAmHerschel · 16/02/2016 18:17

I agree with you on the one hand pastmyduedate, but on the other if you think back to some of male musicians who used to wear make up and have long hair a decade or two ago, none claiming to be women, and look at all the butch lesbians who are now saying they are trans men, it seems as though the trans movement is doing more harm than good to the widening of gender roles.

Like that beardy guy who is 'widening the boundaries of what it means to be a woman' (or something). He's a man with a full beard who wears dresses and make up, and that is exactly what he looks like. The trans movement calls him a woman (and so does he). Maybe we will all wake up to how ridiculous it is one day but how many people will get hurt until we do.

pastmyduedate0208 · 16/02/2016 16:11

I often think, with the increasing Transgender activism movement, that it will probably be the Transgender movement that opens the box on limited gender expectations on men.

Women, we had feminism. "Let us wear trousers, and a tie. Let us take part in politics, let us own land" etc... and there is an ongoing equality movement for women.

Men, they may well wish to take on more "feminine" roles in society, such as homemaker, someone who likes high heels, (bear with me).

There hasn't ever been a movement for men allowing reverse equality to happen. Males (gender) are finding themselves closed into a tight box, while women seem to have more choices. The Transgender movement seems to open up the box for men towards more choice.

The problems start when the only way for men to take on feminine presentation, in the same way that women can take on masculine presentation, is by pretending they are women (feminists never had to pretend to be men in order to wear trousers).

Men need to find their own way, to wear feminine attire and assume feminine roles, while still being men. The Transgender movement may be the only way to achieve this.

It's all work in progress though! Society is changing.

LumpySpacedPrincess · 16/02/2016 12:51

Society should accept people as they are and not push gender roles onto us. So much of what makes me as a woman is just what I have absorbed over the years. I believe that your sex is a fact and gender is a social construct.

Your post is interesting and thoughtful, I wish you luck on your journey to be comfortable in your own skin. Smile