Another trans related one, I'm afraid

It feels like within one year someone said right this is the new ussue we need to focus on.

Anything to stop women being allowed to focus on their own wants, needs and desires. The lesson here is the same as it's always been, that women must centre men at all times, especially when those men decide that they're going to call themselves women.

Interestingly when Germaine Greer challenged Caitli Jenner hardly any if at all feminists came to her aid. In my view what is the pointof feminism if we are too scared to stand up for Women and the essense of what makes us women.

Thw recent trans movement in society,media is interesting. It feels like within one year someone said right this is the new ussue we need to focus on. So much so that in 2015 there have been numerous documentarys, articles,movies, posters, debates, organisations speaking about this. The subject if Trans issues in it self is not a problem but the large amount of propaganda is amazing. This is a very interesting thread.

Getting back on the subject, I really feel for all the young people who are being mutilated and receiving unnecessary medication because of this strange phenomena.

And its surge is particularly strange. We had a change of mayor here in Mexico City three years ago and suddenly there were advertisements all over the place about the importance of not discriminating against transgenders. There have always been transvestites in Mexico City and they are reasonably well integrated, while the people who are really discriminated against are the indigenous, but not a word about them.

I am up for doing it. Most people believe that a trans-gender woman will have undergone genital surgery. The reality is very rarely discussed and as a result there is little realisation that men with penises are asking to be placed in a women's prison where most of those incarcerated have suffered abuse - mental, physical or sexual - at the hands of men. These are traumatised women who deserve protection from potentially violent pre-op transexuals.

shortcut there is such a strength of feeling about this subject that i don't think it stands a chance.

We could start a counter petition??
To keep TW with penises out of women's prisons

Its interesting mno one has started a petition for Davina Ayrton

I posted the same thing on two different threads which why I asked for it to be removed, but since people have been talking about it, its seems a bit weird for the link to be there.

So here it is again.
www.change.org/p/hm-thameside-prison-hmp-thameside-director-john-briggin-of-hmp-thameside-thames-magistrates-court-jim-fitzpatrick-mp-rushanara-ali-mp-trans-women-of-colour-housed-in-men-s-prison-and-denied-hrt-in-custody?recruiter=483656122&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink

I want to write to the prisons services directly

Me too Posie but there's no way I would sign.

I feel like signing that petition just to make a comment

Not a single parent, and so don't feel as sensitive about flys post. I read that there was a recipe of situations that may have lead to these children identifying as trans, not that their mothers were to blame.

To be fair Lass, it is easier if you're white, middle class and don't have mental health problems.

Much outrage amongst the signatories. I wonder if they realise it is quite easy to avoid being arrested and remanded in custody. I'm a "cis" woman and oddly in 56 years of being a "cis" woman I've found it remarkably easy not to be arrested.

Can't find any more details but one of the signatories claimed to have witnessed the event with 5 police officers and 5 security guards involved.

The whole thing is deliberately vague also I agree shortcut people.generally don't go on remand for first time or minor offenses.

Does say what that person has done to get themselves arrested does it Xx?

Can't be good if they are being kept in custody

And when did we start using 'women of colour' in the UK?

Here's an interesting article written a year ago and pseudonomysaly under a pen name. It's sums up the current trans/ terf position and the silencing. Apologies I'm posting it on the ioc thread too!
www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/02/are-you-now-or-have-you-ever-been-terf

(Sorry pressed post)

..loose trousers and tops. I never had much imagination, didn't play with dolls or anything. I read lots and loved science, animal and nature facts, maths and logic. I also did not have many friends, and did not do social stuff well. Once I got out of my dresses stage I can imagine myself starting to think I must be trans had I been born 10 years later.

I worry because my dd at the moment loves Fireman Sam and kicking balls and playing with cars. She's only 18 months but if she continues this way I don't want anyone telling her she must be a boy. I worry that she could be like me when she grows up (though so far I think she seems normal). But if she is I don't want her to think her body is wrong.

I completely agree with Obsidian about how people in the future will look back on our handling of 'gender' today.

I think that the strict segregation of toys, clothes and even activities by sex is a massive part of the reason so many young people today think they are trans. That alongside tumblr and other stuff on the internet. Just last week I was talking with a woman I know, mum to two boys. She was saying she liked the idea of a third child but was worried about the space. "If I have a girl she'd need a whole new set of toys." Because obviously she couldn't play with the same toys her brothers did! We've really had a number done on us by those who want to make more money.

I have asperger's and I think because of this I always hated certain materials and tight fitting clothes. I would only wesr loose dresses, then when I turned about seven would only wear loose trousrrs

I honestly think you're in danger of trying to make the plural of anecdote to be data, Fly. There's a lot of us raising children with no men at all in our lives for one reason or another, and I certainly haven't come across any barking mad single parents. Maybe nutcases are like buses, they come along in threes (i.e. what you're looking at is an inevitable fact of the Poisson distribution - that events, when genuinely random, do allow for some clustering).

JessicasRabbit - yep that might have been better received but what I was trying to make clear that these are women who are parenting completely alone. Unlike me for example - I have a child whose father is pretty much totally absent BUT I have a long term partner who is an extremely supportive presence in my life and in my child's life. If that makes sense?

Anyway I'm not even sure what I was trying to say tbh.

I just wonder what the factors that may feed into children identifying as trans/non-binary/whatever actually are. Are they the same for girls and boys for example? Are there any common factors or is it really just a "born that way" kind of thing where environment has little to no bearing (which seems to be the prevailing narrative)?

jessicas absolutely not. Look how silent the trans community are on the fact that circa 70% of MTT never have genital surgery - they know that this would be a deal breaker for most people. And if you ever ask about it you are "reducing people to their genitals" or "obsessed with what's in people's pants". It's been brilliantly done.