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Women's Networks and their constant emphasis on men

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MrsFogi · 26/01/2016 15:17

Over the years I have been active in womens networks (both work ones and wider industry/sector ones) but I am always amazed at the sheer effort and emphasis that seems to be put on attracting men/increasing male membership/getting more men to attend. Somehow networks that are supposed to focus on women end up spending 90% of their time on men. This seems crazy to me - ethnic minority networks don't seem to have attracting white people at the top of their agendas, lgbt don't beg hetrosexuals to run them. Why do womens networks seem to do this? Tbh it is why I always leave as I don't want to attend panels where men are speaking with the sole "qualification" that they "let their wife work" so "must understand working women's issues". Whenever I have mentioned this at network meetings I have been absolutely shot down in flames so I suspect I am missing something/the same may happen here on my first foray into the feminism chat forum.

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MelindaMay · 27/01/2016 08:45

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SlowFJH · 26/01/2016 23:44

Hijacked? Or just promulgating an alternative point of view? It is legal as far as I am aware - even on MN.

Give me the name of your CEO. I will write to him/ her to ask about the quantifiable benefit he/she has seen from the notworks and I promise you I will never comment on such a thread again.

SlowFJH · 26/01/2016 23:37

Irene
What is your current organisation?

IrenetheQuaint · 26/01/2016 23:35

Damn, this could have been an interesting thread before it was hijacked.

SlowFJH · 26/01/2016 23:34

Genuinely, what have I made up? Your salary is paid either by the tax payer or by a willing customer who is willing to hand over their hard earned, highly taxed income to you because they believe it is good value for money in some way.

Convince me that that the people paying your salary are happy for a proportion of it to pay for you to attend a notwork where you blame "them" and "the patriarchy" for all of life's woes.

IrenetheQuaint · 26/01/2016 23:30

Curiously, the proportion of senior female managers in my current organisation is significantly higher than that at previous organisations without women's networks or any interest in diversity more generally.

Just a coincidence, I daresay.

SlowFJH · 26/01/2016 23:25

What have I made up?

MelindaMay · 26/01/2016 23:23

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SlowFJH · 26/01/2016 23:21

Lose an argument and say "night night"...

SlowFJH · 26/01/2016 23:19

MelindaMay
I have

I don't mean your au pair or your gardener or your nanny or your tennis coach...

I mean a genuine workforce who rely on you and the institution that employs them to be able to pay their bills and their mortgage..

SlowFJH · 26/01/2016 23:14

But I do love you for loving E.F.Benson (if I have got the cultural reference in your user name correct)

MelindaMay · 26/01/2016 23:12

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MelindaMay · 26/01/2016 23:11

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SlowFJH · 26/01/2016 23:10

Well that's just LOVELY... Irene. Do you pay the salaries of all the employees that need to have "confidence-building events"?

IrenetheQuaint · 26/01/2016 23:03

My Women's Network is lovely and does lots of nice confidence-building events.

Although we do have a senior male sponsor who is obsessed with getting men in. All events are open to men but they don't come, presumably for the same reasons that I as a white person wouldn't go to a BAME event.

(A friend of mine has a Dorothy Hodgkins fellowship. Such a good idea!)

SlowFJH · 26/01/2016 22:58

Coo. Simply saying "how wrong" I am obviously absolves you of any responsibility to put forward any evidence.

Ever started a business? Ever paid anyone?

MelindaMay · 26/01/2016 22:54

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SlowFJH · 26/01/2016 22:50

Yawn as much as you can. But at the end of the day, your salary is paid by someone or an institution or a public sector body that adds value in some way...

It doesn't grow on trees

SlowFJH · 26/01/2016 22:46

MelindaMay have you ever started a business? Ever known what it takes to find and then keep a customer? Ever managed a P&L? Ever had to find funds to make payyroll while your customers sit on invoices rather than paying them on time?

If you have, them I will respect your support for such Notworks.

If you haven't. ..I think you enjoy a privilege funded by someone else

MelindaMay · 26/01/2016 22:46

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SlowFJH · 26/01/2016 22:39

And of course the public sector is especially frightened of offending any sensibilities. ..

SlowFJH · 26/01/2016 22:36

You will have to do a LOT of convincing to prove that that the Dorothy Hodgkin Fellowships arose out of a notwork.

I am going to put this out there. Emperor's New Clothes... Big corporations "tolerate" all of the payroll expense devoted to employees attending Notworks and Notworking Conferences because they think it is a price worth paying against charges of sexism and that it will serve as useful defence in employment tribunals.

Meanwhile the notworks themselves turn into a "Ain't it awful?" orgy of blaming the patriarchy and wishing and waiting for "them" to change.

All in all - a nice way to get paid for doing sweet FA

MelindaMay · 26/01/2016 22:28

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MelindaMay · 26/01/2016 22:27

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SlowFJH · 26/01/2016 22:26

What???

If any MNers would be happy to pay for their nannies and cleaners to attend a woman's notwork I will eat my hat.