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can we reject gender and still be pro female?

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Flingingmelon · 21/01/2016 22:35

Anyone else have an irrational dislike of all this 'gender is a false construct' talk?

It's been really bothering me recently. Not so much the discussions themselves, rather why I get so irritated in the first place?

I wonder if it's because rejecting gender in some way feels like rejecting the concept of femininity, by that I mean feeling like a woman in the 'traditional' sense of the word.

I'm struggling not to associate it with the idea that we are letting the side down somehow, fighting for women's equality and then turning around and distancing ourselves from what makes us women.

I absolutely believe and agree that how an individual chooses to identify themselves is no ones business except themselves, but it feels like we are throwing the baby out with the bath water somewhat.

Can we be female, be women, be proud of what makes us women and still reject the concept of gender?

I'd love it if someone could help me make peace with this, although I accept that as usual I'm writing far too late in the evening and this is after all, only my problem, no one else's.

Does anyone else feel the same?

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stargirl1701 · 21/01/2016 23:08

I guess birth/bf have been the first time I felt proud of being female. I was a tomboy. I guess I still am. My pride was always in my academic achievement, my rejection of 'traditional womanly stuff'. I had never felt such a female sense of strength and power before in my entire life. Odd. Different. But, good.

BombadierFritz · 21/01/2016 23:03

I dont have a problem rejecting femininity as i am quite non conformist and live in jeans/no make up/unconventional hobbies etc.

7Days · 21/01/2016 23:01

I think I know where you are coming from OP.

It's like when people don't mind a girl being a 'tomboy' but hate to think of their son being a 'sissy'. Devaluing traditionally female hobbies, sports, career choices etc.

People are socialised into gender roles, no doubt about it. But humans are adaptable any person could get socialised into liking football or liking experimenting with makeup, for example. Both are pleasant pastimes. But the female versions are disrespected in a way that men's aren't.

Is there a fashion roundup after every news bulletin? After Syria, floods, the election, murders do we get an hourly update on hem lengths and new breakthroughs on long lasting lipstick?

I know I'm borrowing heavily on stereotypes here but what else is there when it comes to gender.

BombadierFritz · 21/01/2016 23:00

I am not so much 'proud' of being female, as aware that half the population worldwide are oppressed because of their biology

stargirl1701 · 21/01/2016 22:52

It is. Sex is correct.

IamTheWhoreofBabylon · 21/01/2016 22:48

Slightly off topic but I've noticed on the baby threads, only the titles I don't read them, they are talking about what gender baby is
Surely this is incorrect and it is sex.

stargirl1701 · 21/01/2016 22:46

Hmmm. I am quite anti-gender as a concept...but...I felt a very raw, primal female power when birthing my babies. I feel a strong female sense of pride in my body for breastfeeding DD2.

thatstoast · 21/01/2016 22:44

But, biology aside, what does make us women?

I don't see how it's possible to reject gender but still cling to an idea that there's something intangible that women possess.

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