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Transgender pupils allowed to chose uniform

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ChiefClerkDrumknott · 20/01/2016 17:39

So girls still have to wear skirts and boys still have to wear trousers. This is merely the reinforcing of gender stereotypes hidden under the banner of progressive open-mindedness. Why not allow pupils to pick which they'd rather, regardless of sex?

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muddiboots · 22/01/2016 08:07

I know pv, I was being sarcastic too 😄
Sarcasm and passive aggression now, I feel we could be great friends Grin

PalmerViolet · 21/01/2016 23:14

And it wasn't slightly sarcastic, it was very sarcastic.

However, I apologise, I know how precious people get about the schools they're connected with.

PalmerViolet · 21/01/2016 23:13

Muddi, right o

VashtaNerada · 21/01/2016 23:00

As others have said, this is confusing and oddly done. Surely the sensible thing is to have one long list (blazer, jumper, skirt, trousers etc) and pupils just mix and match? Can't believe this is even an issue.

muddiboots · 21/01/2016 22:54

Sorry to take off topic, just replying to palmerviolets slightly sarcastic comment, just checked league tables for GCSEs and a levels, telegraph and independent and Brighton is way ahead of both roedean and lancing ( in those lancing is on as do igces )

muddiboots · 21/01/2016 22:43

Pviolet, roedean is single sex and lancing does not have academic results to compare

PalmerViolet · 21/01/2016 21:46

Muddy, really?

Lancing and Roedean have closed? How the hell did I miss that?

ChiefClerkDrumknott · 21/01/2016 21:35

Hmmm, I wonder if this gender club has been made to believe that gender = sex. Given the press release stated 'biological gender', they probably do Hmm

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LovelyFriend · 21/01/2016 21:23

Gosh I wonder how Lass's son feels about his Mum insisting he wears a skirt to school?

That really should be the individual students choice.

CultureSucksDownWords · 21/01/2016 21:18

Wtf is a gender club?

Blu · 21/01/2016 20:53

OK, all credit to the school gender club, and for the school to listen. That is forward thinking.

But they still have a binary system....

And there is no option within the 'skirt uniform' for trousers.

muddiboots · 21/01/2016 20:17

Palmerviolet, things have moved on school wise locally, the college is outstanding in terms of results and there are really no better schools locally ( as far as I know )

muddiboots · 21/01/2016 20:15

Yes absolutely re jackets cut etc, and they are very specific from certain makers so there's no fudging it.
Given the cost of one set of uniform, I think there will be very little swoppage going on from term to term !
The headmaster is absolutely a media hound but to be fair, this issue was suggested by the school gender club ( pupils ) and he is honestly committed to individual freedoms and rights.

dementedma · 21/01/2016 20:13

Great news for the thousands of transgender pupils out there.Hmm

PalmerViolet · 21/01/2016 20:11

It's Brighton.

I love the place, lived there for a while, but it does have a vibe to it which feels a bit "How can we freak the rest of the country out today?"

Plus, the head has got some amazing free publicity.

There are, however, far better Public schools close by if that's your bag. It's a competitive world in independant education!

TeiTetua · 21/01/2016 20:07

Yesterday I said "I hope it doesn't mean each individual pupil is required to sign up for one uniform and always wear it!" and now it seems as though that's exactly what they do require, but the kids have the opportunity to change at the end of each term. What fun.

merrymouse · 21/01/2016 20:06

You have to give it to the headmaster, he hasn't really done anything but Brighton College is all over the papers described as a 'top public school'.

I wonder what zeitgeisty press release he will write next?

TheWomanInTheWall · 21/01/2016 19:43

Umm, if dressing in the other uniform without presumably taking any relevant hormones, aren't boy and girl jackets cut very differently, for boobs/waist vs shoulders/chest?

muddiboots · 21/01/2016 19:27

There was a boys uniform, trousers and a tweed jacket, shirt, tie, and a girls uniform, bolero jacket and pleated check skirt ( not a kilt 😄) and open neck shirt. All they have done is change the name to skirt or trouser uniform. Any pupil may choose to wear either uniform but must wear it consistently for at least a term. So you don't have to be transgender but you do have to be committed. You must wear the whole uniform, so you can't wear former girls jacket with trousers, it's all or nothing, so the majority of girls will not be swooping to trousers. From sixth for m onwards, it's smart business wear. Girls can wear suit trousers presently and presumably boys can now wear skirts.
One pupil so far has elected to swop uniforms.

carltonscroop · 21/01/2016 18:47

"So female young muslims will need to identify as a boy to wear trousers?"

Almost certainly not. It is totally routine for schools, even those with skirts only as the general rule, to have an adapted form for those with a well defined religious need.

Blu · 21/01/2016 17:52

So female young muslims will need to identify as a boy to wear trousers?

SenecaFalls · 21/01/2016 17:35

In the US, trunk also means a large luggage type thing. It's the car boot/trunk that has different terminology.

lorelei9 · 21/01/2016 17:16

Shirley "but in practice it's the reason why lots of schools did move to allowing trousers for girls."

oh dear. I didn't know that. Sad

Hechan · 21/01/2016 17:12

Apparently Brighton College was the first public school (not sure what the criteria is for public vs. Private school) to have an openly gay head boy.
How on earth would they know this? Is there some kind of national Head Boy database??

TheWomanInTheWall · 21/01/2016 17:06

No, I am a song lyric... and a mummy, in both senses of the word.

So I am possibly creepier than Phoebe's pictures!