Can you be for gender equality but not a feminist?

There is overwhelming pressure for women to be responsible for contraception. So you've got no worries on that score Tanith. If men don't want children then they also need to take responsibility for their choices.

I notice that you agree men shouldn't be able to force women to have an abortion (although surely the alternative is that women get to make that choice, hence the status quo) but you haven't said anything about forcing women to go through pregnancy.

And you are very wrong about women being legally able to have terminations. Millions of women have no access to safe and legal terminations and even when they do there are many barriers in the way (such as the state of Texas having 5 clinics when it's the size of France).

bbpp - I saw a survey of pay in the accountancy profession last week. It showed that the gender pay gap of 20% opened up immediately accountants finished training and entered their first full time qualified post.

The age group of newly qualified accountants was under 30 and for full time posts so not correlated to typical child bearing years for professional women and obviously exactly the same age and qualifications and experience as men.

The gender pay gap is real and gets wider in both % and £ terms the higher up the pay scale one goes.

You are probably thinking "Omg picking men over your own gender blah blah" If you are one of these people, you are not capable of intelligent unbiased discussion and I would appreciate if you just ignored this thread, I am open to debate and discussion, but don't try to push me into a box where I do not fit. Anyway, thanks for the consideration.

You would probably find discussion more productive if you responded to what people actually say rather than deciding for them what they will say and making up an outraged response.

However, I think we might have seen you round these parts before...

bbpp, that's really interesting on the %ages.

OP, please could you explain the voting/ dying thing?

Re the decision to have a baby, I'm a woman and I wouldn't interfere with a man's right to bodily autonomy, therefore I expect a woman to have those rights too.

How do you feel about men doing all the dangerous jobs, OP?

< racks brains to remember other MRA tropes>

Oooh the "wage-gap myth" another MRA favourite.

Thank you, OP for your enlightening rant. Thank you.

They look at trends and then ask the questions as to why that is.

Choice doesn't happen in a vacuum either.

Well it's the same position/role so it's not just gender. I think that graphics will get a little complicated if you start including whether they played an instrument in year 3 and what was for tea last night.

No wonder you were asking what bodily autonomy is

If a man doesn't want a baby he shouldn't have unprotected sex.
If he does want one he needs consent.

Quite simple really.

Men get their say when they choose to stick their dicks into women without putting a condom on it.

So you think men should be able to force women to have a termination or force them to give birth? Is that what equality looks like to you?

If you got pregnant and you decided you didn't want it, you can legally terminate it. No matter how much your boyfriend/father to your child wants to have a baby. Are you suggesting that a man should be legally able to insist that a pregnancy continues against the wishes of the woman who is carrying the baby?

Again, if you want it, but your boyfriend/father of the baby does not, he has no say so. And, in most cases, they are forced to pay money to the child even if they don't want any contact with it. If a man does not want to father a child, then he should use contraception or abstain. Should he be able to force termination on the mother of his unborn child?

So are you suggesting that men should be able to force a woman to carry and give birth to a baby against her will?

Yes, I can imagine sad circumstances where a man might want to keep a baby but the woman doesn't, but there really isn't any way round that- biology being what it is........

OK, I was deluded enough to think the OP wanted an actual discussion. Now I see they are a goady fucker.

And for the pay gap there has been studies, although it's usually attributed to women not going into high paying sectors or roles, usually due to children.

I was looking at this salary survey the other day however, skip about 3/4ths of the way down and it shows the pay gap within the same role. I know this is only one career, but still.

www.marketingweek.com/2015/01/28/salary-survey-2015-reasons-to-cheer-and-despair/

Bodily autonomy = the right to choose what happens to your own body.

And yeah Ophelia leniency in sexual assault - are you kidding me? Men get away with raping women all the time.

I don't think I understand, OP- what rights is it that women have. That men don't?

Not to sound like an MRA

Sorry you are obviously an MRA.

Why bother yourself on a feminist internet board. Go busy yourself with man's rights.

You do understand that to have a baby it has to grow inside a woman? Of course they should get to choose whether they have one . Otherwise it would be rape and forced birth.

Oh and you are sounding like EXACTLY every other MRA.

Hahaha omgosh.
In what way do women have more leniency in courts, especially when it comes to sexual assault On which parallel universe do you live?

to vote in elections without agreeing to die
MRA Brainwash alert on overdrive.