Can you be for gender equality but not a feminist?

Haven't seen that, tethers. Nice one.

Oh, selective service...I see.

OP, are people demonstrating etc about that because they should be. It's mad.

The military in the US is all volunteer.

Selective service forms still have to be filled in, but no one has been drafted for more than 40 years...

So, yes, but also hell no.

Dear OP, I saw this and thought of you xx

That register thing sounds shit. Did we ever have that in the uk?

I think it should be abolished. Women shouldn't have to die in wars men start.

However at the current time, men made the decision that that's how they want the world to work. Men decided men should fight, not women. That's not a woman's issue, our fault nor our responsibility to fix. That's not inequality. That's men dictating the running of their country and the role of each sex, as always, with every issue.

Bertie, are you saying the US effectively considers a man to be volunteering for the army when he registers to vote? That would definitely need changing but is it correct?

Didn't we just have this thread?

Or am I thinking of the several hundred "let's go see if we can annoy the silly women" threads we've had before?

Someone needs to put a post up in the reddit or whatever telling them that we just take the piss out of them here?

The legislature that brought in the selective service card thing - mostly men, or mostly women?

Not to sound like an MRA, but Child custody, reproductive rights (To choose parenthood) Genital mutilation protection, woman can access federal and state programs, and vote in elections without agreeing to die, men do not. More leniency in courts, especially when it comes to sexual assault.

Child custody has been dealt with comprehensively already. Reproductive rights is an odd choice, given that women's reproductive rights, especially in the US where I'm assuming you're from are being eroded daily, in favour of being forced to give birth to an unwanted baby, if I remember rightly, these changes in the law are made by men. FGM is illegal in the UK, and yet, not a single prosecution, why might that be, do you think? For someone who claims to know things, you might want to have a wee look at when the draft was abolished, which is what you were alluding to in your hyperbolic vote in elections without agreeing to die statement. You might want to have another look at the stats for your leniency in court statements too, they aren't correct.

Those are 4 rights that women have that men don't. But again, I'm not picking sides, I'm completely in the middle pointing out facts when they crop up.

Oooh, I think you might want to get an extinguisher for your pants there.

You are probably thinking "Omg picking men over your own gender blah blah" If you are one of these people, you are not capable of intelligent unbiased discussion and I would appreciate if you just ignored this thread, I am open to debate and discussion, but don't try to push me into a box where I do not fit. Anyway, thanks for the consideration.

I wouldn't dream of forcing you to read facts or my intelligent, well thought out and evidence based discussions, it's far more fun watching you froth. I wonder which fact you'll come out with next. I have a bit of a list here of things that people say when they're trying to pretend not to be MREs.

Unbiased discussion... Oh! My actual sides! And there was I thinking you were actually posting in good faith, silly me!

The voting without agreeing to die thing refers to the draft in the US. Basically all men are effectively forced to sign up to a register so that the army can call them up to fight at any time.

I'm against it, but it's not likely to be on the radar of the majority of British feminists since we don't have it here.

The feminist/gender neutral perspective is split on whether it should be abolished altogether or whether if it remains women should also have the "opportunity" to sign up.

Youc an use any words you like to describe what you believe. My sons are happy to call themselves feminists. You aren't. that's fine. My feminism is about equality for men and women and is as much campaigning for fairness for men as for women but that's not everyone's thing.

If you don't like the word feminism don't use it and just talk about wanting equality for men and women.

And who made up that rule Tanitha?

If you are using acronyms like 'MRA', OP, I suspect you made up your mind on the answer to your question long ago.

*the sexes

Oh and we will feel free to disagree. Yes both sexes face challenges. But it's funny how one of theses has the vast majority of power and wealth in the world.

Yeah but it's because women are layzeee.

Women do 70% of the farming worldwide and get about 10% of the wealth. That's pretty fucking hard work. So is childcare.

Women have always worked hard.

ABetaDad1 I think I saw a similar one, but it didn't specify by role if I remember correctly so I didn't want to link because surely OP would pick holes. There's so much information out there I'm not sure how a person can not recognize that pay gap is a real thing.

This is the one I saw, 3rd page.
www.icaew.com/~/media/corporate/files/about%20icaew/ICAEWSALARYSURVEY2015-amended.ashx?utm_source=ICAEWjobs&utm_medium=ArticleLink&utm_campaign=SalarySurveyReport

The pay gap starts in childhood with unequal pocketmoney
Probably those slacker girls making wrong choices/part time chores

Btw i need to know. Wtf is the voting/agreeing to die thing?

...by blaming men for not "Putting a condom on" Why would the pressure be on Men to use contraception? Why shouldn't the female be on contraceptives as well?

That was in response to you saying that it wasn't fair that men could be forced to become fathers against their wishes. Not if they wear a condom. If a man doesn't want a baby, use protection! Don't force a woman to take contraception because of your wish not to procreate!

I think it's fairly safe to assume the burden of contraception usually falls on women.

I think Ophelia answered your points with clarity.