Can you be for gender equality but not a feminist?

"Bert Sorry I never did get back to you"

No. I didn't think you would. Too difficult.

Yes, Lass, they are. In years of posting on FWR, when you stay on the topic of your opinions, that's great and interesting, even when we disagree.

But around half your posts hark back to, exaggerate and misrepresent, something that someone on here once said to you, whilst glossing over anything unpleasant you say. That part is dull.

They are not blatant misrepresentations.

This thread was started by a troll but I thought it was still an interesting concept, particularly given the political associations of feminism with left wing politics made by Purple Sage and latterly the Marxist analysis posted by Almond.

However it's much easier to say I'm stupid.

If you wish to expend more energy telling me how stupid I am it will be wasted as I now hiding this thread.

Bert Sorry I never did get back to you

'Callin So unless I declare I'm a feminist I'm not allowed to discuss matters such as rape, abortion, exploitation in the "sex trade" , fgm'

WHERE did I say that?? Although I do wonder why you choose the feminist forum to discuss these things, when you're not a feminist? There are plenty of other places to discuss them.

'The things you picked from that post were examples of the type of things that irritate me about feminism (or the version as practiced on here)'
They are nonsense, complete and utter nonsense. You state that 'feminists' believe these things because they were supposedly said on another thread. It is all just made up in your head.

'I did not say they were mentioned on this thread although you have stated I did. They were generalisations from a number of sources (as if no one ever posts using generalisations)'

Again WHERE did I state that you said they'd been mentioned in this thread? They are not 'generalisations,' they are blatant misrepresentations.

'What I find amusing about Callin's position is that women like Laurie Penny and the "pro-sex" lobby go around calling themselves feminists, yet despite my views on that I'm in the wrong because I don't call myself a feminist.'

What the actual flying fuck? How on earth are you equating me with Laurie Penny?? When have I ever said I'm part of the 'pro-sex' lobby??????

You are coming across as incredibly stupid.

Lass, I for one hope you continue to post, the word echo chamber often springs to mind when perusing this forum.

"equal rights for women has been succesfully fought for and aqcuired"

What planet do you live on? Can we come?

Am currently reading them thanks

"I can't beleive my first ever comment on here is on a femenism thread"

Yes, that is surprising! You might find the Pregnancy board has what you need.

Scallops - thirded.

jaythegent... so everywhere in the world women have equal rights do they??

Tanith,

Of course your right, common sense dictates, by the very definition of the term 'femenist' equal rights for women has been succesfully fought for and aqcuired, and rightfully so.

There is an argument for aspects of the system being preferable toward men, of course there is, but there are also elements favourable toward women.

I can't beleive my first ever comment on here is on a femenism thread, this was not my plan, I am merely researching how to cope with my first child just being conceived...

*cailin

She isn't the only one.

Caitlin didn't say you were wrong because of your views Lass. She disagrees with the way you misrepresent people, take things out of context and then play the victim on threads like this.

Why do you do it?

Callin I said several pages back why I was posting on this thread. Whilst the thread was started by a troll the idea that one can embrace equality but not feminism seems to match my position .

The things you picked from that post were examples of the type of things that irritate me about feminism (or the version as practiced on here)

I did not say they were mentioned on this thread although you have stated I did. They were generalisations from a number of sources (as if no one ever posts using generalisations)

What I find amusing about Callin's position is that women like Laurie Penny and the "pro-sex" lobby go around calling themselves feminists, yet despite my views on that I'm in the wrong because I don't call myself a feminist.

I said it was "largely nonsense" The part about equating feminism with being anti-capitalist resonated with me as a reason why I can be and am in favour of equality but I cannot describe myself as a feminist.

As for "not listening " and being "misquoted" , I know how that feels. Selkie has just misquoted me for example.

Yes Bertrand Sorry I meant to come back to your post. It had some interesting points

Callin So unless I declare I'm a feminist I'm not allowed to discuss matters such as rape, abortion, exploitation in the "sex trade" , fgm.

Yeah, I noticed that noray!

First you said the blog "resonated with you" about why you're not a feminist, then two posts later it's "nonsense".

Aye, right. I'm out.

I appreciate the thread has moved on, way on, from the US Selective Service issue that was mentioned previously, but when I clicked on the link it was interesting (in the context of all the other trans-related discussion of late) to see the approach to "Gender change / transgender"

www.sss.gov/Portals/0/PDFs/WhoMustRegisterChart.pdf

Basically if you are born 'male' then you must register, even if you've "changed your gender to female", and if you're born female but "changed gender to male" then you don't have to.

And generally, the response to someone being offended by something that you're not offended by is to either ignore and move on or to say 'Oh why are you offended?' and try to understand. Lass's response is to sneer and say we're 'looking for things to be offended by' which is...very unusual behaviour in an adult.

I don't believe in God but there's no way I'd go on multiple threads in religion, say 'people who believe in god are just looking for something to comfort them,' and declare over and over than I'm an atheist. Why would I do that? It's incredibly childish behaviour.

I have every sympathy for someone who is genuinely trying to understand, and if they listen and still don't agree, fine, that's obviously not a problem. I was in a position of not understanding at one time. But when someone comes on and says we 'look for things to be offended by,' it's clear they're just out to insult and belittle and there's no desire to understand. When the same person does that over and over and over on multiple threads you have to wonder what on earth their motivation is.

Not if someone is invested in not listening. You can't argue with someone who will make things up in order to make you look bad.

Yes, I know. But the problem is a lot of people share her view. And even after all these years, I have this pathetic belief that if we only explain it a bit differently, we'll get people to understand........

You are wasting your time Bertrand. Coming on thread and stating over and over that she's not a feminist while misquoting other posters on other threads is Lass's hobby.

Lass, did you notice my response to you on Tuesday at 9.48? I addressed many of the points you make................