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Would anyone be interested in a Feminist critique of The Big Bang Theory?

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ShadowsCollideIsSurroundedByAd · 30/12/2015 22:18

Inspired by the Friends thread from years ago (was it by SOH?) I watched an episode of TBBT tonight and it genuinely repulsed me.

Howard is a creepy, pushy, sex pest.

Leonard is even worse though. He's the Ross from Friends style 'nice guy'. He's nasty, manipulative, possessive, and in the episode I watched earlier, lorded over and sneered at Penny when she forgot his birthday, then made a joke out of the fact that he'd read her journal, and massively invaded her privacy.

When I first watched TBBT I thought I enjoyed it, but the raging misogyny has put me off. Any other thoughts on it?

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Duckdeamon · 31/12/2015 13:27

Almost always fails the bechdel test.

Raj's gf is portrayed as a "bunny boiler". The women accept that the lodger/comic book creepy guy sexually harasses and spies on women.

Some racist (eg to do with Raj) and homophobic jokes (similar jokes to "Friends").

HappyGoLuckyGirl · 31/12/2015 13:22

Oh for God's sake. Hmm

ShadowsCollideIsSurroundedByAd · 31/12/2015 13:07

Just to clarify, when I described Leonard's Mum up there ^ I was referring to how the writers portrayed her, not my thoughts on her.

Yes, Dad, that episode pissed me off too (it was Howard, and they had her pretend to be Jewish) . Your buddy is feeling glum? Buy him a woman, that'll fix everything Hmm

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DadWasHere · 31/12/2015 09:19

Sheldon I always saw as an 'on spectrum' character, being oblivious to social skills, not that he disregarded them. Still, I stopped watching the show after the first few seasons as it seemed to be going downhill, the episode where they bought a prostitute for Raj(?) and how happy he was about it pissed me off, so I have no idea how the characters evolved later.

Notrevealingmyidentity · 30/12/2015 23:13

I hate Sheldon the most. I actually didn't think Leonard was that bad.

Howard was vile but I did like how a recent episode had him admit that he had been a horrible person and had behaved appallingly to women before he met bernadette and that he hoped he was a better person now. Although he's still not great.

Sheldon though - He has always been vile to Amy and openly admits he puts all of his needs before hers.
I couldn't bear to be in a room with him let alone friends.

Sheldons behaviour when him and Amy split up was so bad I was honestly shocked they aired it. It was full on harassment and stalking! There was nothing funny about it at all.

And no one seemed to think it was in any way odd !

Lightbulbon · 30/12/2015 23:09

link to old friends thread op referred to

Lightbulbon · 30/12/2015 23:04

It was darlene that started the old thread afaicr (which is funny now gown the darlene/Roseanne/Jonny galeki link).

As with friends, tbbt is something I like/can tolerate as 'background' tv but if I analyse it from a feminist pov it is sooo bad!

I didn't watch it at all before mayim bialik started but then watched it because of my love of blossom and her as an intelligent woman and 'Eco' mum.

It's good to have a female TV character who isn't a 'mummy' or a 'bimbo'. I watch it for Amy and would stop if she left.

The guys are all misogynists!

Howard fat shames his mum.

None of them have healthy relationships with their mums and mostly hate them/slag them off. (Although I do love the scenes with Christine and Laurie another ex Roseanne)

GlacindaTheTroll · 30/12/2015 23:00

It started off being all about Penny. (Indeed it started off with her arrival).

She wasn't thick, she was Everywoman, the 'normal' which made the other characters risible.

I did not like what happened to her in the later series, when they made her a caricature and started to make her stupid. But I found much of 8 bad on many levels.

pieceofpurplesky · 30/12/2015 22:51

I love it. Sorry ... But I just take it at face value and it entertains me. I was so happy when Sheldon and Amy .... Best not add spoilers Wink
I also love friends. I think both make the men look like bumbling idiots and that is part of the escapist humour. I also love girls and some girls in which the females are mostly neurotic caricatures and the males fools!

ShadowsCollideIsSurroundedByAd · 30/12/2015 22:51

Yes, that's it exactly, Yoko.

The way Amy was written to lust after Penny and behave inappropriately - smart female is repressed closeted lesbian wanting to grope her closest friends (grim).

Bernadette has become a screeching parody of Howard's Mum. Far more successful than Howard = bring her down a peg or two by making her a shrieking 'nag'.

Howard - Oedipus complex. Treats women appallingly.

Leonard: turned into a manipulative, insecure, nasty fucker by his cold, nasty, career woman Mother. So now he's a nasty, sneery, smug arsehole who hated the fact that Penny got a career of her own and wasn't dependant on him anymore.

I used to love TBBT, but the more I watch it, the more it makes me cringe.

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YokoUhOh · 30/12/2015 22:37

Howard = damaged by overbearing mother ergo sex pest

Leonard = damaged by refrigerator/overbearing mother ergo passive-aggressive woman-hater

Sheldon = caring mother but HFA therefore 'asexual' (snore)

Amy = intelligent female therefore must be a closet lesbian

Bernadette = more intelligent than husband but unfulfilled/unrealised therefore a fishwife

Penny = attractive/uneducated therefore deserves to be treated appallingly by educated man

YokoUhOh · 30/12/2015 22:30

Yes, I hate it, having enjoyed it immensely at the start. I suppose the joke is that the female characters are smarter than the male boffins ('even' Penny). It's turned into a couples-jokes Venus-Mars bore-fest in the last few series, relying on shite stereotypes and cod psychology.

ShadowsCollideIsSurroundedByAd · 30/12/2015 22:23

Sorry, that was a totally obnoxious way to phrase the question! Does anyone feel the same way and want to discuss it?

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