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Peak trans in New York

31 replies

RickRoll · 29/12/2015 16:21

New law in New York, peak trans I think....

www.nyc.gov/html/cchr/downloads/pdf/publications/GenderID_InterpretiveGuide_2015.pdf

"It is unlawful to refuse to sell, rent, or lease housing to someone because of their actual or perceived gender, including actual or perceived status as a transgender person. It is unlawful to withhold from any person full and equal enjoyment of housing accommodation because of their gender."

"The NYCHRL requires employers and covered entities to use an individual’s preferred name, pronoun and title (e.g., Ms./Mrs.) regardless of the individual’s sex assigned at birth, anatomy, gender, medical history, appearance, or the sex indicated on the individual’s identification.
Most individuals and many transgender people use female or male pronouns and titles. Some transgender and gender non-conforming people prefer to use pronouns other than he/him/his or she/her/hers, such as they/them/theirs or ze/hir.
Many transgender and gender non-conforming people choose to use a different name than the one they were given at birth.
All people, including employees, tenants, customers, and participants in programs, have the right to use their preferred name regardless of whether they have identification in that name or have obtained a court-ordered name change"

"The NYCHRL requires that individuals be permitted to use single-sex facilities, such as bathrooms or locker rooms, and participate in single-sex programs, consistent with their gender, regardless of their sex assigned at birth, anatomy, medical history, appearance, or the sex indicated on their identification. The law does not require entities to make existing bathrooms all-gender or construct additional restrooms.
Covered entities that have single-occupancy restrooms should make clear that they can be used by people of all genders."

" For example, a women’s shelter may not turn away a woman because she looks too masculine nor may a men’s shelter deny service to a man because he does not look masculine enough."

Other violations
"Barring someone from a program or facility out of concern that a transgender or gender non-conforming person will make others uncomfortable.
" Forcing a transgender or gender non-conforming person to use the single occupancy restroom."

"Covered entities should post a sign in all single-sex facilities
that states, “Under New York City Law, all individuals have the right to use the single sex facility consistent with their gender identity or expression."

"An individual’s assessment of their own safety should be a primary consideration. Covered entities should offer opportunities for people to come to them if they have safety concerns and should establish a corresponding safety plan if needed. For example, if a transgender resident requests assignment to a facility corresponding to their sex assigned at birth instead of a placement corresponding to their gender identity, that request should be honored."

"It is unlawful for an employer to provide health benefit plans that deny or exclude services on the basis of gender. To be non-discriminatory with respect to gender, health benefit plans must cover transgender care, also known as transition-related care or gender-affirming care. "

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OneFlewOverTheDodosNest · 29/12/2015 23:00

There's not really a way to make it a man's problem though, is there MrsTP? Because the equivalent to transwomen demanding access to rape crisis centres and DV shelters with blatantly male anatomy and appearance would be if women decided to demand access to places where men were exceedingly vulnerable and I really can't imagine that happening.

And even if it did, we would not possess the relative body strength and key anatomical appendages that make men such a threat to vulnerable women in these places.

I don't understand how the people who are making these absurd decisions can't imagine that, even if all transwomen were completely lovely and safe people (and maybe they are), that nasty sexually deviant men would not take advantage of these laws to get access to further victims. Particularly now we're removing any kind of barrier such as gender reassignment, hormones, ongoing therapy, making an even half decent attempt to pass as a woman.

It makes me mad, and it makes me scared, and god knows what we do about it. Or how many women have to end up dead or raped before anyone significant questions this new dogma.

MrsTerryPratchett · 29/12/2015 20:59

I'm trying to work out how to make this a man's problem so it gets dealt with. All the places I can think of (posh clubs, golf) where women could muscle in shouting, "we're men" are memberships and you can bet our feelz won't get us into those places. Irritating.

TheCarpenter · 29/12/2015 20:49

An individual’s assessment of their own safety should be a primary consideration

Unless they are female.

Can we just have toilets, wards, shelters etc labelled for Huge Fucking Terf Bigots and maybe, just maybe, then we will be able to thinking about our own safety before putting every other fuckers 'feelz' first?!

OneFlewOverTheDodosNest · 29/12/2015 20:05

Where is the line drawn between "worries about making someone feel uncomfortable" and genuine concerns that it will be traumatic for fellow patients?

MrsTerryPratchett · 29/12/2015 19:19

Essentially if a man, with a penis, wants to access a women's shelter, loo or changing room, they say they are female. Their anatomy, appearance and sex aren't a problem.

I can't see any issue with that at all. Hmm

VestalVirgin · 29/12/2015 16:33

An individual’s assessment of their own safety should be a primary consideration.

Unless they are actually female, I suppose, in which case they have to share housing and bathrooms with males in any case, but can choose whether they want to share with masculine males, of feminine-gendered males.

Hmm