women's issues, always remember men are victims too

I want help for victims of either sex, but if e.g. DV is so bad for men why haven't they done something about it? Women got off our arses, set up refuges and support groups etc. What's to stop men doing it? Why are we expected to do bloody everything for everyone as well as writing all the Christmas cards?

When I used to work for a medical research charity years ago and take phone calls from the public I used to get a lot of calls from men bemoaning the fact that there were support groups for breast cancer but not for prostate cancer (there are now) and why was that, wasn't fair, no one cares about men etc. When I asked why they didn't start one, there was always this long silence. The answer was, of course, that no men had got off their arses and started one (they have now - phew).

Yes it drives me mad, particularly within the context of domestic violence. Yes, some men are victims too but the majority of victims are women.

When you work in dv, you see it every day.

It's not just that they happen to men, it's that they are much much worse when they happen to men because poor men are such helpless victims and never complain and because they are stoic and it's so much harder for them to report than women who never shut the fuck up whining.

The provision of services isn't the issue, and even if it was it shouldn't necessarily be women's work to fix services for men, it's the constant derailment. It's a way of telling women to STFU. Whataboutery.

No, it doesn't irritate me.

I want good services for everyone, regardless of their sex.

If services are bad, perhaps because a predominantly women's issue is not being dealt with properly, that needs action. But so does the exclusion of victims from services based on their sex.

The problem is a lot of them have very negative views of women from the get go, will be the same posters "why did she go home with him", "all women cry rape on rich people/footballers it happens all the time", "men have to protect themselves(applying high status to themselves)"

Using broken statistics or evens stats from other countries, when we have pretty good studies in the UK.

Some of the Uni studies of graduate assault are pretty bewildering, and again why would women need to over report it.

Its mad as its pretty common knowledge in the news how low rape convictions are so where this paranoia comes from who knows.

Also happens in discussions of FGM.

The quickest answer is to acknowledge that men are victims too and say, but this debate is about women.