Did anyone see that Reggie Yates programme about men and feminism the other day?

I'm just watching the linked video with Roosh video response, Roosh says if a woman says were not having sex tonight, it's normal for the man to think of (legal) things he can do to change her mind, he doesn't know a single man who who will go "oh ok then" and leave it at that. That no means no, until it means yes. And nobody would get laid if everyone was like Reggie. That's coercion isn't it? I'm sure there are plenty of men who don't need to coerce women to sleep with them, and the ones that do are worrying tbh.

At the end of vid he addresses a female singer who complained about her documentry being scrapped to show Roosh instead, telling her to "sit down and let the men talk" and calls her a clown. Dismisses her work as mindless stuff produced by white men.

Oh dear Curly, sounds a little bit like the sad face write up Britain First did when they were exposed for the bigoted arses they really are in a program made about them using their own words.

That one page of that sote is ridiculous and I'm so sad I've given it another click.

The part that mkes me laugh the hardest is the picture of Reggie with lipstick and his nails painted etc and Roosh questions how many "straight men would pose for a photo like it"
I didn't realise having colour on your nails and lips means you're gay, I thought it was being attracted to the same sex, can't believe I've been wrong all these years.
(Not to mention how many rockstars etc have worn lipstick and nail polish)

It's basically petty name calling.

Looks like the cavemens cage has been rattled:

www.rooshv.com/the-bbc-and-reggie-yates-release-their-hit-piece-on-the-manosphere#disqus_thread

Reggie looked pretty bewildered most of the time, like 'wtf are these guys on?". Made me realise if you don't belong to feminist groups online (or anti-fem/MRA type stuff) than you probably have no idea that this kind of thinking is out there. I wasn't surprised by anything I saw but my dp was. Although he is more of the opinion that these men are a very small minority of extremists where as I think they are more common.

I can't watch this, I'm worried it would make me too depressed and angry, but I am curious; was it portrayed in a way that showed sympathy to these men, or made them look like mental idiots?

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I laughed at that too, Patrick!

Speaking of 'wank too much' I cracked up laughing when the camera zeroed in on the roll of toilet paper next to Josh(?)'s bed! A tad unnecessary but funny....

This was the 18 year old who was living with his parents in Essex (I think) and making YouTube videos about how women's rights had gone too far.

Is it just me, or is Roosh's apartment the very antithesis of a love-nest? I bet it's got that grim wank-too-much-wash-too-little smell. He is too old to live like that - everything about him screams LOSER. And his beliefs are repellent too obvs.

Watching things like this always makes me wonder how these men have got to adulthood without a single fulfilling relationship with a woman or girl. They seem to view women as some other kind of species with whom entirely different rules apply than for men who are, you know, people.

I wonder if they grew up in very isolated or sex-segregated environments. I grew up with mostly sisters and female cousins, went to all-girls schools and only socialized with girls. I have to say that until I was maybe 18 or 20 and in college with mixed gender socializing, I viewed men with deep suspicion to be treated warily, never as friends. Obviously that changed! My attitudes changed immensely but I do still have mainly female friends and am more socially awkward with men (although am happily married!).

It makes me think that a lot of this apparent hatred of women is actually coming from social dysfunction. They seem to want sex desperately but lack the social skills to interact with women and they blame women for that instead of taking a look at themselves.

So a combination of poor social skills and a sense of male entitlement to sex...pretty toxic and unattractive combination.

It's all about power. These men probably believe, like Tyson Fury, that women are only good in the kitchen and on their backs. That's what they think we're good for. That's where we should be.

And then there's Josh saying that women have got all the rights and services that they need. Hmm Equality there is not.

Clearly Roosh thinks the daughter will end up with men like him and his brain dead audience.

UkmmTheSecond wrote - "If he's not attracted to women they why does he sound so angry about them being allowed to be fat etc, surely how women look and the men choose or don't choose will be of no concern to him."

Control and hatred of women is not directly proportional to sexual attraction. Misogyny is not a gay-free zone.

The other thing that made me feel ill was the chap who asked about his daughter - Roosh said he should get her married at 18, and have children - otherwise she'll end up with one bad boy after another "many if you are going to use her" (it's about 7.20 on the video) - I didn't notice it first time round, but was re watching - and it makes me sick.

I know this isn't the point but I always thought Milo was gay.

I didn't know that.

I wrongly assumed that when he was talking he was also talking about himself, he said things like men/we, so I thought he meant himself, oops.

If he's not attracted to women they why does he sound so angry about them being allowed to be fat etc, surely how women look and the men choose or don't choose will be of no concern to him. It would make more sense for him to complain about society allowing men being able to be fat and ugly as it limits his choices if he doesn't find that attractive. Genuinely confused why he seems angry at women in that regard.

I'll see if I can find the interview, apologies for my mix up.

I posted this extract below on another thread that mentioned the Reggie Yates programme.

The whole male resentment/discrimination issue was summed up near the beginning of the Reggie Yates film by that clot Roosh, who said: "Women are no longer trained to submit to a man, to serve a man."

That's what's going on with these men - the resent losing the submissive little wives/girlfriends, who they think is their inalienable right to possess.

I think a threat of violence is an obvious example Choc but take for example the things that Tyson fury said about women boxers and Jessica Ennis. I'm sure he wouldn't say there was anything wrong with those views and they are definitely not violent but I doubt anyone here would disagree they are misogynistic.

Unfortunately I think the belief that if you're white, straight and male that society is against you is fairly common. So people like Milo and Roosh will have a following because they are willing to say things that are large number of men feel they can't. I can almost see where they are coming from but IMO it's more that people are trying to challenge a status quo.

I don't think it is so hard to tell the difference between critical speech and hate/threatening speech just as Seeyou says

I shall illustrate through conversations with my toddler

Me: put on your shoes please
Them: No

this is a normal and fine conversation, I will tell them to put on their shoes and they eventually will (or I will carry them bare foot to the car and put them on later)

But my kids have all been through phases where a conversation will go like this (and bear in mind, they're pretty good kids, I don't need to tell them off much, and I've never smacked them) -

Me: put on your shoes please
Them: No - and if you tell me again I will kick you

This is an unacceptable conversation and they will receive the lecture on how they will not kick, how that is not something you do to other people. Someone - and since their adults, it's going to have to be the police - needs to have a word with these people and remind them that in civilised society we don't go around threatening people with rape and murder.

I watched it last night too.

I fail to see the appeal of Roosh? Why would men want to listen to his 'opinions' and why any woman would touch him or get anywhere near him is absolutely beyond me.

I also don't get the whole 'Men's Rights' thing?
It seems, from my limited view point, that they were basically saying,
"Noones talking about men's issues an its all the feminists fault"
But that argument is flawed from the get go. They seem to dislike feminist tarring all men with the same brush but think nothing of tarring all feminists with one brush? Weird.

As for 'Milo' and his men and women using different language, the only language I wanted to use was to call him a jackass.
Free speech is fine, its a given right we all have. He didn't seem to graps that saying,
"I disagree with you and this is why....."
Is a world away from,
"I disagree with you so piss off or I'll do horrible and unspeakable things to you because you're just a woman"

But yeah, interesting, I'll go back to lurking now

Just watching this now on i-player - I don't know what to say, it makes me so very sad, and like Decaff makes me worried for the world. I have thought for years that the treatment and attitudes to women have been going backwards.

I can't watch things like this, makes me scared of the world, the way some people can't turn off the lights for a while after horror movies. Though being able to discuss the issues brought up in a safe environment (like these boards?) afterwards might help. In the past my anger and frustrations with the views espoused has turned to anger and frustration with myself for not feeling like I am able to challenge or change things. Does anyone else have a similar response to programs like this?

Is it acceptable to say something hateful about misogyny?

No perhaps disagreeing is the wrong word but there is a fine line between saying something critical and then being hateful, homophobic or whatever.

Look at the trans threads on here, I don't many people on the feminist board would say they are transphobic but show some of the posts to a trans activist and it would be bordering on a hate crime.

I dont think it's about disagreeing Mide. Freedom of speech is great and a right which should be protected. Hateful, misogynistic, racist, homophobic comments that minimise and encourage violence are something completely different imo.

I wish men could talk about and lobby for services and support without being derogative towards women and blaming feminists.

And :-o to the awful idea that rape committed on private property shouldn't be classed as a crime.