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Islamaphobia?

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Onnedheil · 09/12/2015 12:36

So, as feminists, women, fighting against patriarchy, against rape culture against male violence to women. My question is this.

Are we suddenly now supposed to be supporting a religion that is an actual rape culture, Openly accepted paedophilia, actual supremacy of toxic masculinity an actual patriarchy Which is responsible for female genital mutilation , based on a the word of a paedophile warmonger who propagates a monotheist singular God who is male .

And when Anyone, speaks out about these things We're labelled as a racist and as islamaphobe and told to silence our voice for the religion of peace?

Have I ended up in the twilight zone or something?

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BertrandRussell · 09/12/2015 13:04

No, I haven't. I don't know what one of those is. A Christianophobe.

BertrandRussell · 09/12/2015 13:02

I've been called a Chritisianophobe.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 09/12/2015 13:00

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Onnedheil · 09/12/2015 12:54

I'm not singling out Islam, I abhor all religions that propose an after life under punishment of an imaginary person, But if i call out Christianity for these things im not silenced to threatened with hate crime action told that i am a racist for speaking out against a fascist ideology. Or told i'm wrong about the facts. Or that I am a christianphobe. You understand that its a disproportionate response that is not on the same level.

We're being told to silence our voice against Islam and what it stands for.

And the thing that upsets me more than anything is that LGBTQ women who claim to be feminists are the ones who are silencing the voice of truth. How can any feminist claim to be a feminist and stand for equality when in the next breath they put on a hijab bow down to the patriarchal oppressive regime of islam and then tell anyone who speaks out to silence their voice because of racism ( Im looking at you Kathleen Wynne ) What an utter betrayal of all things feminist to then defend the very kinds of crimes we're supposed to be committed to fighting against.

its like a dagger in my heart.

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VestalVirgin · 09/12/2015 12:54

I don't think Christians practice FGM, to be fair. But not all Muslims do either. And people do who are not Muslim.

Actually, Rüdiger Nehberg managed to convince almost all Islamic religious authorities to speak out against FGM, and is now planning to get this message out in Mekka. His modus operandi is basically convincing Muslims that FGM is un-Islamic.

FGM is more of a cultural thing than a religious thing, and I'd wager most of the misogyny in Islamic countries is also more culturally motivated than religious.

niminypiminy · 09/12/2015 12:52

With an OP like that it's going to be pretty difficult for Muslim feminists - or indeed feminists of other faiths - to want to enter the debate. Open mind? Not so much.

Thefitfatty · 09/12/2015 12:50

Christians in parts of Africa do indeed practice FGM. It's a cultural thing, not a religious dictate.

www.stopfgmmideast.org/background/islam-or-culture/

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 09/12/2015 12:49

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BertrandRussell · 09/12/2015 12:48

I don't think Christians practice FGM, to be fair. But not all Muslims do either. And people do who are not Muslim.

VestalVirgin · 09/12/2015 12:48

Since when are we supposed to support Islam? Is this about this one single thread about supporting Muslims somewhere in the general chat forum?

Islam is not feminist, correct. Neither is Christianity, as it is practised nowadays. This is all just a red herring.

Yes, we ought to fight Muslim men who want to take away our rights. But we also ought to fight the nationalist extremists that want to take away our rights by pointing at those "evil" Muslims. And the Christian extremists who want to take away our bodily autonomy.

Our enemy is not Islam, it is patriarchy. Keep that in mind.

I think it is rather interesting that you are so offended by accusations of Islamophobia, but are happy to accuse others of transphobia.

I am also surprised that you are surprised that feminists are asked to be "politically correct". You are doing just the same with your lamentations about "transphobia."

When women are hurt, we need to point that out, unafraid of any accusations of -phobia.

BertrandRussell · 09/12/2015 12:47

"And when Anyone, speaks out about these things We're labelled as a racist and as islamaphobe and told to silence our voice for the religion of peace?"

Are we?

Thefitfatty · 09/12/2015 12:47

I second GreenTomatoJam All those things are done in Christianity's name as well. Bit hypocritical to only speak out against one.

GreenTomatoJam · 09/12/2015 12:44

You can't single out Islam for those things - have you looked at Christianity recently? All of those things are done in its name too.

By all means be against organised religion, but it is certainly islamophobic to only accuse muslims of these things.

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