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"Intercourse/PIV is always rape, plain and simple."

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partialderivative · 03/12/2015 15:46

I was trying to find out what piv sex meant when I came across this blog.

witchwind.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/piv-is-always-rape-ok/

I was rather taken aback by its premise.

Other quotes include:
...intercourse is NEVER sex for women...
...intercourse is inherently harmful to women and intentionally so...

Is this a commonly held view point amongst feminists? Or just the extreme radical side.

I am not posting this to be goady, if anything quite the opposite.

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BertrandRussell · 03/12/2015 17:04

"I'm a common radical feminist."

Ooh, can I be a posh radical feminist?[Grin]

Garlick · 03/12/2015 17:02

I'm a common radical feminist.

The author's views on sex are bonkers.

vimtoqueen1 · 03/12/2015 17:01

well you learn something new everyday! I didn't know what PIV was and i now know never to read that person's blog ever again - absolutely bonkers!

PlaysWellWithOthers · 03/12/2015 16:59

As Joan and Buffy said, for me, it's a starting point for further conversation about the topic. I don't personally agree with much of what was said in the blog post, but, from a certain point of view, I can see how others might.

It's not a common RF view. It is a relatively common separatists view.

The woman who's blog it is sounds like she is coming from a fairly bad place in the commentary.

But Partial, you've been here long enough to know that this isn't a commonly held view, so your posting it with that question seems disingenuous somehow. Almost like you want to do some "let's point at the silly feminists and laugh" tactics to discredit the women on this part of the forum.

I'm sure you're all wide eyed wonder at how I could possibly come up with that idea. Have fun.

HermioneWeasley · 03/12/2015 16:59

Is anyone else smiling at POV on a PIV thread?

Just me?

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 03/12/2015 16:59

This made me laugh in a rather confused way:

If we look at the act in more detail (skip this parag if you can’t take it), PIV is a man mounting on a woman to thrust a large member of himself into her most intimate parts, often forcing her to be entirely naked, banging himself against her with the whole weight of his body and hips, shaking her like he would stuff a corpse, then using her insides as a receptacle for his penile dejection. How is this a normal civilised, respectful way to treat anyone? Sorry for the explicit picture, but this is what it is and it’s absolutely revolting and violating

well quite frankly young lady its a good job your parents did this abhorrent act else you would not be here

I mean what does she want people to do for reproduction???

PrimeDirective · 03/12/2015 16:56

Oh dear, she clearly doesn't like sex. That's a shame but if that's how she feels then that's fine. However, she doesn't speak for any other women and she certainly doesn't speak for feminists.

"PIV is a man mounting on a woman to thrust a large member of himself into her most intimate parts, often forcing her to be entirely naked, banging himself against her with the whole weight of his body and hips, shaking her like he would stuff a corpse, then using her insides as a receptacle for his penile dejection."
If that is her experience of sex, then she has my sympathy!

JoanFerguson · 03/12/2015 16:54

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Quodlibet · 03/12/2015 16:52

Gotta love a bit of cis piv.

SanityClause · 03/12/2015 16:51

This is not a "radical feminist" view.

A radical feminist believes that the system is inherently unfair, and that the only way to make it fair is to change it entirely, i.e. radically.

Just because a view is extreme, does not mean it is the view of radical feminists!

JoanFerguson · 03/12/2015 16:49

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BertrandRussell · 03/12/2015 16:46

I'm not hostile, partialderivative. But I am a little impatient. Because I honestly find it hard to believe that you really think the views in the article are "commonly held" by feminists. Come on, 'fess up. You don't really do you?

CallingAllEmergencyKittens · 03/12/2015 16:45

I think she's probably had some very bad experiences.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 03/12/2015 16:43

Immaculate conception, I would assume, sparechange. Which is pretty topical, this time of year!

partialderivative · 03/12/2015 16:42

Why the hostility Bertrand?

Many of my opinions have been changed after posting here and hearing other's pov

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sparechange · 03/12/2015 16:39

This is my most Shock bit
The fact intercourse causes so many infections and tears and warts attests to the unnaturalness of intercourse, that it’s not meant to be. The vagina’s primary function isn’t to be penetrated by a penis but to eject a baby for birth. They are two muscle tissues / sphincters pressed against each other to help the baby be pushed out. Penetration of the penis into the vagina is completely unnecessary for conception.

Neither of my pregnancies were conceived through sex (IVF) but both required something to be inserted into my vagina
She doesn't elaborate on what conception methods she advocates, but I'd be interested

Saukko · 03/12/2015 16:37

Old post is old. That view is considered as extreme as something ISIS dug up, and is in no way reflective of any kind of feminism.

WishItWasSunday · 03/12/2015 16:37

The title of the blog appears to be "radical wind blowing through female outer space"...My inner kid is chuckling to that.
Very unpleasant article IMO, another one that just helps the all-feminists-are-men-hating-loonies brigade.

BertrandRussell · 03/12/2015 16:36

Well, if none of your friends hold views like this and you've never heard them expeessed before, then isn't it a reasonable guess that they are not "widely held"?

BuffytheScaryFeministBOO · 03/12/2015 16:34

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BertrandRussell · 03/12/2015 16:34

It's nothing to do with radical feminism. Radical does not mean extreme, or very or rampant or rampaging!

UnDeuxTroisCatsSank · 03/12/2015 16:33

She is not representing rad fems, feminists, women or anybody else. She is saying what she thinks.

I disagree with almost everything she says and I think she is a terrible writer, inarticulate and muddled.

specialsubject · 03/12/2015 16:33

seems to be a very sick man-hater. It is not acceptable to hate women, and this is not acceptable either.

with 7 billion people on the planet we are going to get a few loons.

partialderivative · 03/12/2015 16:32

So can I ask why you are wondering if it's a commonly held view point among feminists?

Because I would like to hear the opinions of those outside of my friendship group. I'd like to know if this is a commonly held opinion.

This seemed a fairly good place to start

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ouryve · 03/12/2015 16:30

It's even extreme by radical feminist standards.