proposed legislation in scotland - licensed saunas and legalised prostitution

To those claiming sex workers are at fault for perpetuating violence and suffering trafficking victims/coerced women endure:

What if sex workers weren't around? there'd be a massive surge in demand that was being unfulfilled therefore traffickers would stand to make a far larger amount which would greatly increase trafficking.

Prostitution is legal in the UK because my body=my choice.
Trafficking and controlled prostitution are not.
Same as domestic slavery is illegal and maids are not.
You don't need to ban one to tackle the other

Sex?
I do. But I sell a service that includes sex as my job also

Do what for free?

But if you're aim is to reduce the social acceptability of sex work then it is stigmatising sex workers. We already are stigmatised, just look at previous comments where it's suggested I'm suffering cognitive dissonance because my choice is invalid, or as the other poster said there's something wrong with me and that I'm having my orifices raped multiple times a day.

The stigma is clear on these pages

The stigma isn't on the women!

The stigma needs to be on the men! The women are doing nothing wrong, the men are. PROSECUTE THEM! Don't reward them by legitimising their hobby!

So do it for free.

Buying a kidney is illegal, but donating one is fine - for exactly this reason, to stop exploitation of vulnerable people.

I can't agree with further stigma on marginalised women

Ie work on the social acceptability side so that any reduction in legal sex work doesn't fuel illegal sex work.

Fox hunting, wearing fur, battery hens - all things that were well established and now invoke society's opprobrium to a greater or lesser extent. Why shouldn't that
Opprobrium fall on men who want to rent orifices to wank into?

You do know prostitution is legal in the UK?

But there's many sex workers who are not doing it out of poverty and lack of options so a blanket ban is not the way to go.

You don't abolish personal assistant's or maids/cleaners because slavery is damaging.
You recognise they're entirely different one is a job that should give its workers the same rights as anyone else, the other is a crime that destroys women's lives

Women voluntarily (and by that I mean, not forced by poverty) working as prostitutes encourage trafficking the same way that the legalised prostitution in Germany does.

By making it seem like a legitimate business, a market is encouraged, and people move in to fulfil that demand.

I want less demand for prostitution, I want the market to shrink and be acknowledged as undesirable. I do not want it made legal and acceptable for a man to rent a woman (or man) for sex.

Drink driving used to be no big deal

Now thanks to the law being enforced and public awareness campaigns, it's clear that it is a big deal and it's far less socially acceptable. Friends/family designate a driver or suggest a taxi way more than they did a generation ago .

Why not the same for prostitution?

No, that was a joke about the only injury hairdressers were at risk of was carpel tunnel.

As opposed to prostituted women who are at risk of a lot more.

Is that really a joke about trafficking victims getting carpal tunnel greentom?

Sex workers by choice are not encouraging trafficking anymore than a hairdresser is.
In fact quite the opposite, If us prostitutes weren't around there'd be a massive surge in demand that was being unfulfilled therefore traffickers would stand to make a far larger amount which would greatly increase trafficking.

Yes, there are lots of businesses running illegally - which is wrong, and eventually someone will catch up with them.

I don't support those businesses either - but at least someone cutting people's hair in their kitchen isn't supporting the objectification of women, putting them in the way of violent men, and at risk of health problems (carpel tunnel maybe?!)

Do you really think that what we should do for women in poverty is legitimise whatever they have to do to get by? Why not let them sell their kidney, or a bit of liver then? You don't go and license sweatshops because the worker have no other options, you give them other options! You shut them down and help the exploited workers find jobs!

If you get the theory behind what is being said and you understand our concern about the impact on other women, why did you call us a load of useless fools?

I get the theory behind whsts being said but the fact is many women need or want to be sex workers. I can't deny the fallout it has and impact on women who do not choose this. But the is the case in many industries. We need to find a solution that isn't so absolute in extremes

My job in the way I operate (having free will/other options for work if I want them) does not mean I add to the pornification as I work behind closed doors in a way that has gone on centuries before the pornification of society

Yes I dislike the pornification within society

Funding has just been cut for women's services onemorecasuslty, can you honestly see those exiting sex work getting much help

Also against pornification. How about you?

Anyone advocating stronger laws around prostitution also advocates financial and personal support for exiting pristitutes, AFAIK.

I never said it was here to stay bcos it always has been, just simply that for the foreseeable future it's clearly not going anywhere given the pornification of our society.