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proposed legislation in scotland - licensed saunas and legalised prostitution

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weeonion · 30/11/2015 12:32

A consultation is currently happening in Scotland to make charges to the laws around prostitution, brothel keeping and pimping. No matter what you think - it would be good to have your voice, experiences and opinions heard in this. They have just extended the deadline to the 8th December so if time has been an issue for you - you now have another week!

Responses prepared electronically should be sent by e-mail to:
[email protected]
Responses prepared in hard copy should be sent by post to:
Jean Urquhart MSP
Room M3.20
Scottish Parliament
Edinburgh
EH99 1SP
You may also contact Jean Urquart’s office by telephone on (0131) 348 5052

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SapphireStarfish · 10/12/2015 17:24

I think you've gotten confused. My explanation of sex work as being nothing more than a job to me had nothing to do with relationships.
I was talking about how I find sex work myself and I'm not in a relationship

SapphireStarfish · 10/12/2015 17:21

Why are you trying to convince me a man wouldn't want to be with a sex worker? Of course I'm fully aware of that. Lol
Some are fine with it like one of my more recent exes but majority are not.

Why do you think I'd want to be in a relationship with a sex worker? I'd be too jealous so no I wouldn't
Same reason guys may not want a relationship with a sex worker

SapphireStarfish · 10/12/2015 17:19

Haha! Our wouldn't get off the ground as I'm happy in my job at the moment!

To be honest I've done this 5 years and not had even a hint of a problem. One client said I'd gained weight, that's the height of the trauma I've experienced through sex work.
Outside of sex work however I have known and experienced some not so nice men.

Women experience violence from partners at a very high rate. You're far more at risk from a boyfriend than a client

OneMoreCasualty · 10/12/2015 17:16

X post - Eh? So you couldn't be with a guy who sold sex?

I don't get it!

OneMoreCasualty · 10/12/2015 17:16

Sapphire, I appreciate that it is like that to you; can you appreciate it might not be like that to a partner?

OneMoreCasualty · 10/12/2015 17:15

I would also find it hard to be in a relationship with someone putting herself at risk of rape and assault every day she goes to work. In fact, I know I couldn't do it.

I would break up with you after trying to see if you'd do a different job, though, not be a bellend to you!

SapphireStarfish · 10/12/2015 17:14

I couldn't be with a guy who sold sex either

SapphireStarfish · 10/12/2015 17:14

But if it's as mundane as waiting tables to me then how is that not just a normal job?
To me, obviously it's not going to be like waitress to others but nor is being a surgeon or actor and they're considered normal but I would not be capable of doing those and wild freak out

OneMoreCasualty · 10/12/2015 17:11

To me, then, that seems more about it not being a job like any other because it isn't strange that a person could find it hard his partner has sex with others ie sells consent.

No excuse to be an arsehole to you! But I would find it difficult to be with a man who earnt his living that way.

SapphireStarfish · 10/12/2015 17:10

Bit of both probably casualty.

SapphireStarfish · 10/12/2015 17:10

It was in relation to discussion of my job. I'm not under any illusions there'll be a multidutude of men and women out there who dislike me for a very
add variety of reasons. You do seem to be trying to stir things a bit here

OneMoreCasualty · 10/12/2015 17:09

X post

OneMoreCasualty · 10/12/2015 17:09

agree with Grimble. Also, was it you being a prostitute or you being a woman who could support herself through work, IYSWIM?

SapphireStarfish · 10/12/2015 17:08

It was exes actually grim.

So can you understand now the concept of sex work being a normal job to those of us who find it normal?

grimbletart · 10/12/2015 17:06

I agree with you Sapphire, it is not logical. Are you sure some men despise you for your freedom and independence and not some other possibly subliminal reason?

SapphireStarfish · 10/12/2015 17:03

Yes it's not logical but all I can say s I've known men despise me for what I do and I felt it was that way because of the freedom and independence I have which they didn't like

SapphireStarfish · 10/12/2015 17:01

It is a normal job. But it's certainly not suitable for everyone.
I'm happy in it and it's just another day at the office for me.
In the same way being a surgeon, soldier or actor is normal. But I certainly could not do those jobs

SapphireStarfish · 10/12/2015 16:58

I would never deny sex work is not for everyone, on the support forum for escorts there's information for those considering it that includes reasons not to and the escorts are completely forthcoming in pointing out that this work could be bad for a member if it seems so and that they're struggling.
But for those of us who are completely happy in our work it honestly feels no different to doing a shift as a waitress

OneMoreCasualty · 10/12/2015 16:56

A society where women are viewed as inferior to men is patriarchal.

You agree that there wouldn't be prostitution in an equal society.

So it's logically inconsistent for you to see prostitution as a challenge to patriarchy.

grimbletart · 10/12/2015 16:55

But it's a normal job isn't it? That's the point you have been making.

SapphireStarfish · 10/12/2015 16:51

I don't think it should because no one should be coerced to have sex with strangers.
It is a job like any other to me because I am happy to and choose to

grimbletart · 10/12/2015 16:48

Interesting discussion.

Tell me Sapphire: if what you do is a job like any other do you think that it should be advertised at the job centre and women encouraged to fulfil these jobs rather than remaining on benefits? And if you don't think sex work should be advertised at job centres why not?

SapphireStarfish · 10/12/2015 16:37

The laway does recognise that. Trafficking and controlled prostitution are illegal in UK.

But sex work is a choice thats legal because how equally wrong that some patriarchal society should tell me what I can or can't do with my body .

Snowshimmer · 10/12/2015 16:33

Yes but do you really think that making sex work illegal is going to combat sexism?

Sneaky.
It is at least an important first step to have the law recognize women and girls as humans who should not be bought and sold by men like objects, by criminalizing punters.
It's a first step to equality that men do not see women and girls as goods to buy and consume like hamburgers. I know the attitude of punters towards women and it's horribly ugly.

SapphireStarfish · 10/12/2015 16:27

There probably wouldn't be prostitution in an equal society I agree

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