proposed legislation in scotland - licensed saunas and legalised prostitution

"The UK's biggest ever investigation of sex trafficking failed to find a single person who had forced anybody into prostitution in spite of hundreds of raids on sex workers in a six-month campaign by government departments, specialist agencies and every police force in the country."

Response from feminists:

"oh but police are men who visit brothels anyway!"

Hum if you've heard this one!

(To the tune of the British Airways jingle)

"We've... Got your ban
Here... From before
Pleeeaaease bore off this time...."

"What percentage of the police force are male, and how many of them go to brothels in their spare time?"

What are you trying to get at here? Go on, spit it out. I think I can guess but please clarify.

So why are we unable to find a single trafficker even when every police force across Britain spends 6 months raiding flats, "massage parlours" and brothels?

Probably for the same reasons why the German Office for Protection of the Constitution was not able to hinder neonazis in their activities, but instead made it impossible to outlaw the neonazi party NPD: Sheer incompetence.

Or possibly a lack of will. What percentage of the police force are male, and how many of them go to brothels in their spare time?

from above link:
"The UK's biggest ever investigation of sex trafficking failed to find a single person who had forced anybody into prostitution in spite of hundreds of raids on sex workers in a six-month campaign by government departments, specialist agencies and every police force in the country.

The failure has been disclosed by a Guardian investigation which also suggests that the scale of and nature of sex trafficking into the UK has been exaggerated by politicians and media."

Politicians and the media exaggerate??? Never!

www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/oct/20/government-trafficking-enquiry-fails

So why are we unable to find a single trafficker even when every police force across Britain spends 6 months raiding flats, "massage parlours" and brothels?

I hesitate to get involved but www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32235112

Nearly 800 women and girls working in the sex trade were identified as the victims of human trafficking last year, according to National Crime Agency figures seen by the Victoria Derbyshire programme

It's pointless though. It's not the women at fault, it's the men who think it's OK to buy a woman's body.

Desperate people do desperate things (I can completely understand that principles I would have stood by when single would be completely discarded if I had to keep a roof over my kids heads).

We understand in other circumstances that it's all very well to be happy about your choices when you have them, but that doesn't mean that other people doing the same things have the same freedom.

Back again so soon?

are you capable of reading past an article's title?

pwned?

Are you 5?

Or merely incapable of adult discourse?

oh look! here's an article with a title that says women have been trafficked!

someone else reads article

oh wait, turns out the women weren't trafficked at all and the writer simply doesn't know what the word means (hint- it is to do with being forced against one's will and nothing to do with moving location)

sex workers who move location voluntarily of their own free will are not victims of trafficking.

LassWiTheDelicateAir claim has been debunked. next.

lol @LassWiTheDelicateAir being pwned

Dervel, I know it is confusing, but you want to say "one sex" and "the sexes" here - transgender people of male sex retain male privilege. It is not about gender.

I agree, sex as commodity is not something we should tolerate.

As long as sex is perceived as a commodity, and as long as one gender has more resources with which to buy it, the genders will never be equal. This goes for all of society and not just the sex industry.

"The Guardian report is from 2009"

I think the fact every police force across Britain spending 6 months raiding (without any warning or notice) every brothel they know about and not finding anything says a lot.

You pointed out this was in 2009, do you think such operations should be repeated every few years?

@Lass, have you ever actually read beyond a headline?

"The prosecutor said there was no evidence that the women had been coerced into prostitution and the trafficking was restricted to taking them between addresses."

and this:

“The sex workers confirmed that they had not been coerced into prostitution by the accused"

"And you know perfectly well how women who make false allegations are vilified."

Considering it takes not 1, not 2 but 11 false rape allegations to be made by an individual before they are actually sent to prison or receive any media publicity, I would say they are treated extremely leniently.

That's right, even after she made 10 false rape lies the media still didn't report her. That's why you "think* it's rare because for some reason the media seems hesitant to report such cases.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9894588/Compulsive-liar-jailed-after-11-false-rape-claims-in-decade.html

The Guardian report is from 2009. Try googling trafficked women in Edinburgh. One of many results.

m.fifetoday.co.uk/news/local-headlines/man-banked-over-150-000-after-trafficking-women-between-flats-for-prostitution-1-3907780

'I'm not clicking that"

. It is a report by Alison Levitt QC, Principal Legal Advisor, and the Crown Prosecution Service Equality and Diversity Unit (and I see I typed man who knows). It is a link to a pdf.

And no I didn't say we should turn a blind eye. And you know perfectly well how women who make false allegations are vilified.

If trafficking is such a huge problem why can't we find any traffickers?

www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/oct/20/government-trafficking-enquiry-fails

"The UK's biggest ever investigation of sex trafficking failed to find a single person who had forced anybody into prostitution in spite of hundreds of raids on sex workers in a six-month campaign by government departments, specialist agencies and every police force in the country."!

I would like men who use prostitutes to be viewed with the same contempt as we view say, drunk drivers, those who run illegal dog fights and similar low life.

I am afraid I have rather more contempt for men who use prostitutes than for drunk drivers. Drunk drivers can at least claim to have had impaired judgement skills when they decided it was a good idea to get into their cars.

Men who use prostitutes, on the other hand ... their thought process is: "Oh, maybe that badly paid prostitute is being forced into prostitution. But who cares? I cannot be arsed to put any effort into finding out, government should do that."

And then they complain about being called rapists after they have raped a trafficked woman. Because clearly, their intent is magic, and they paid the pimp, so it was totally consensual. After all, the woman's owner consented.
Those are men who would claim to be against slavery, but clearly, they are absolutely in favour of enslaving women.

And what are you trying to get at anyway? Are you trying to say even if false rape accusations are rare (which I am sceptical about) then we should turn a blind eye when a scumbag does lie about being raped or falsely accuse someone or being a rapist?

I'm not clicking that

I would like anyone who lies about rape to be viewed with the same contempt as we view say, drunk drivers, those who run illegal dog fights and similar low life.

Given the treatment of rape victims you probably already have your wish.

Here is a link to a report by a man who does know what he is talking about on the subject of how rarely false allegations happen.

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.google.co.uk/url?q=www.cps.gov.uk/publications/research/perverting_course_of_justice_march_2013.pdf&sa=U&rct=j&ved=0ahUKEwizp_vwhdLJAhWEORoKHSl4D24QFggmMAA&usg=AFQjCNFBLOAZoyANQFdBgaqjV6YQUYZyPA" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.google.co.uk/url?q=www.cps.gov.uk/publications/research/perverting_course_of_justice_march_2013.pdf&sa=U&rct=j&ved=0ahUKEwizp_vwhdLJAhWEORoKHSl4D24QFggmMAA&usg=AFQjCNFBLOAZoyANQFdBgaqjV6YQUYZyPA