proposed legislation in scotland - licensed saunas and legalised prostitution

beaanadie wrote - "Getting a house isn't difficult."

Perhaps you could keep that in mind when you next claim, for the umpteeth time, that in your opinion, the existence of one homeless Swedish prostitute negates any possible good that the Swedish Model can do.

quote:weeonion"I also wonder why the vast vast majority of those who sell or exchange sex are women or girls and the vast vast majority of those who pay for sex are men. Hmmmm"

yeah it's a real mystery.

And someone accused G Dalton of receiving payment for her opinion on RM. Who is paying her and how do you know this?

"Douglas Fox rocks - check"

The first one to mention DF was a feminst to make an allegation which was debunked. I didn't see anyone say he rocks.

We could also play feminist sex-work bingo:
all prostitution is rape: check
any individual or group who advocates decriminalisation is a pimp or has links with pimps: check
False rape accusations made against people who don't agree with them: check

and that's about all they come up with. Getting a house isn't difficult.

My view on prostitution is that I wish it did not exist, but sadly it does. The two things I would wish to be considered in the legal framework are how it can stop human trafficking, and how does it help women who wish to exit the profession to leave.

I still don't have a completely clear headed view of the issue, although equating prostition as rape as a default seems a little too extreme a position for me. However I am not a feminist so perhaps that's why.

That said the more I read around the subject the one thing I can commit to wholeheartedly is I don't want the German system. That setup looks fucking awful...

Awwww... you deleted me lol

not that I wasn't expecting it

The equality legislation issue is fascinating. Certain employers may lawfully discriminate in certain limited circumstances. In the UK certain employees of the NHS may opt out of working with abortion patients, but the NHS cannot opt out. No -one in the parts of the UK where abortion is legal will be denied an abortion because the health professional they first saw has a moral objection.

There are no other professions or services or circumstances where services can lawfully be refused on grounds of race etc.

Seems like another plank from the "it's just another job" argument can be removed.

House!

Rachel Moran is a fake - check
Douglas Fox rocks - check
Petite Jasmine - check

I've forgotten, have we had Melissa Farley yet?

I wish you the best of British. We've tried several times to have that very discussion.

No one wants the women in danger, we also don't want women in a job where rape, murder, drug addiction and violence is just part of the everyday experience. The only people who want women in this role are the men who make money out of them, the men that rape them and the women who make money from other women's fear and poverty.

If it really were all empowerfulising of course, the majority of the prostituted would be men.

This.

What do you think why men make the choices they do? Why to men choose to rape women for money, and then complain that the woman doesn't pretend to enjoy it? (This, apparently, is A Thing)

I don't care what Amnesty have to say about it.

I am actually a bit sad that they make it look like being pro-prostitution was acceptable. They have a reputation of doing the morally right thing, so their stance on prostitution reinforces the notion that rape is okay.

Well said GTJ.

However, one of the things that always happens in threads like these apart from a john coming to justify his rapey tendencies is that we are never able to focus on why men make the choices they do. It's always about how empowerfulising it is for the women being abused. If it really were all empowerfulising of course, the majority of the prostituted would be men.

"[Douglas Fox] has had zero input on Amnesty's draft policy on sex work. Claims that he did are without foundation."

Just like everything else that feminists claim they think they know about sexwork. No foundation. A whole load of allegations with nothing to back them up.

Is everyone at Amnesty Int, the WHO, UNAIDS and HIV Scotland also "rapists"?

Well, your warped definition of the word anyway.

"Rapist."

Your evidence?

DF himself also denied it on his own Twitter feed some time ago

I don't care what Amnesty have to say about it.

I don't want to have my sons think it's normal to buy another person's body for their own sexual gratification their right to an orgasm provided by someone else. I don't want them to feel that it's a valid career choice, and I don't want there to be a market for it so that if they ever found themselves in a desperate situation they might consider it.

I want to make prostitutes safe by getting them out of prostitution. I want the men who think they can buy the right to abuse women to be prosecuted, and I want society to feel that way too.

These women have done nothing wrong morally. The person doing the wrong thing is the man raping them for money, and we shouldn't be legitimising it, we should be stigmatising it.

"Amnesty International's policy was also influenced by a pimp."

If you're referring to Douglas Fox (a sexworker whose civil partner has an escort agency in the NE), then you might want to read this:

www.amnesty.org.uk/douglas-fox

"[Douglas Fox] has had zero input on Amnesty's draft policy on sex work. Claims that he did are without foundation."