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Zoolander 2 "mocking non-binary"

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FreshwaterSelkie · 24/11/2015 06:24

I am sorry to start yet another trans thread, I don't want to add to the stream of trans topics overwhelming us all, but I've only recently had my revelation of the damage being done to feminism by all of this, and I'm still working through my thoughts on it all. This is what's set me off this morning.

The gist of it is that transactivists have launched a petition to boycott the new Zoolander film on the basis that Benedict Cumberbatch, who is playing an androdygnous comedy character is "offensive". They comment: "This is the modern equivalent of using blackface to represent a minority", and 'By hiring a cis actor to play a non-binary individual in a clearly negative way, the film endorses harmful and dangerous perceptions of the queer community".

I keep getting stuck in the logic failure loop! It's OK for non-binary people to utilise (appropriate?) whichever bits of gender performance they feel best express them, and that's fine, but if someone who doesn't feel non-binary does the same, then it's offensive. How do they know Cumberbatch is "cis"? He might be yearningly non-binary inside and terrified to come out! How would we know? Also, he's an actor, so his job is dressing up and pretending to be people he's not, which seems to have eluded the creators of this petition.

"Cis" people dressing up as non-binary = blackface, appropriative, offensive. Why doesn't that apply when it's born men dressing up and demanding to be treated as women?

And all this is based on a few seconds of material from the trailer, when the film hasn't even been released yet. It's Zoolander, every last person in it is bound to be portrayed as a TOTAL arse - really, it should be viewed as progress...

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TheCarpenter · 24/11/2015 20:57

Compare this to the portrayal of a trans person in tangerine. Not to be laughed at, but beating the shit out of a woman and calling them fish a-ok.

If I felt I were being portrayed on screen in some way I'd rather be in Zoolander.

EDisFunny · 24/11/2015 20:50

I don't watch a movie like Zoolander to learn anything or take anything from it at all except that it made me laugh.

I think the complaints against the new movie are stupid and boring.

RomiiRoo · 24/11/2015 20:05

I just read this article actually - logic loop is a good description. The evidence and justifications used point to an entirely different conclusion than the one drawn, more of a logic leap or twist. I can't work out how trans* breaks, rather than reinforces, the gender binary (and it reinforces the gender binary in a very specific way - stereotypical glamour womanface/advertisers creation womanface, not your average-woman- in-all -her-wonderful- diversity -face)

slugseatlettuce · 24/11/2015 19:28

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FreshwaterSelkie · 24/11/2015 11:49

I will totally go and see the film, which I hadn't been aware of until this kicked off, so it really has been good publicity! You're SO hot right now!

Actually, I think the blackface comparison backfires on transactivism quite badly because you're on shaky ground trying to justify why that is an outrage, but drag and transvestism, and possibly many more elements under the trans & queer umbrella, aren't. Personally, I think they are comparable.

Turnips, that film looks quite horrid Sad

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HermioneWeasley · 24/11/2015 10:09

I heard about this - it made me really want to see the film Grin

So this is offensive, but Tara Hudson's ridiculous boob job, eyelashes and hair extensions are what "living as a woman" looks like? Fuck off.

WindyMillersProbationOfficer · 24/11/2015 10:02
Hmm
Zoolander 2 "mocking non-binary"
QueenStromba · 24/11/2015 09:58

Do transactivists have any self awareness at all?

Oliversmumsarmy · 24/11/2015 09:28

Its acting, its comedy, its not real life. Ben Stiller is 5ft 6" why aren't we getting male models up in arms that some one of his stature is making a mockery of male modelling.

What is everyones thoughts on White Chicks?

Pooseyfrumpture · 24/11/2015 09:27

It's a trailer. What, two minutes long? Why not wait to see how/if it's an issue in the whole film rather than just a badly edited trailer?

SmashingTurnips · 24/11/2015 09:27

I keep seeing "womanface" used on gender critical blogs - I hope it catches on as it describes certain manifestations of transgenderism perfectly.

Also on the subject of films I was appalled by this. gendertrender.wordpress.com/2015/11/15/tangerine-london-film-premiere-hit-by-lesbian-nation-protest/

Queenbean · 24/11/2015 09:22

This is a great example of kicking up a fuss about something making a mockery of your cause and ruining and good work that has been done on it

Now instead of listening to trans issues some people will think of the movement as a big joke, not to be taken seriously

squidzin · 24/11/2015 09:19

This is great publicity for the film.

VocationalGoat · 24/11/2015 06:37

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