do i need to say lighthearted here?

No of course you don't! I was just interested in how liberal feminists define themselves, that's all, and what they do/don't think that I, as a radical feminist, don't/do think...

how do you define yourself

do I have to?

I'm funny. Everyone says so. Other people like my comments about Mao. Am. Am so funny.

"I'm a liberal feminist (not sure if I'm allowed here)"

How do you define yourself?

I'm a liberal feminist (not sure if I'm allowed here)

Love the cunt cupcakes - vajazzle if you must

I'm too liberal to be a rad fem, too radical to be a lib fem, too socialist to be an establishment feminist and too establishment to be a socialist.

I'm not sure that division lines among feminists are a great approach anyway.

Sorry to lack lightheartedness. I do make fantastic cunt cupcakes though.

I made a tedious non funny post as well. Must be the dungarees.

I'm sure you'd look fab with the beard though. I know I do

Well, I made a non-humorous post, too, Lass, so perhaps I am at fault.

No squdzin Not you playswell meant me althougb you at least seemed to find Mrs Terry's contribution about Maoism quite interesting which followed on from what I said.

I'm surprised you don't think Hilary Clinton is a feminist. I'm sure she thinks she is.

Not you squids! Don't be daft!

I'm sorry.

Sorry PAQ that your lovely light hearted thread got ruined. I sort of knew it would do.Seems non feminists won't allow feminists to have a sense of humour about it all.

The cup cakes sold really well, and, along with a few other things raised over £300 for the local hospice. Hope you all enjoyed your virtual ones!

YY MrsTerryP

Christ, is Hilary Clinton a "Feminist" now? In the same way as Beyonce I presume.

She's going to win isn't she.

An interesting read is The Long March about the early days of Mao. Some terrible things were done in the name of progress but there were some interesting themes. Women joining the long march to escape forced marriage, poverty and servitude. Soldiers in the Chinese forces being amazed that the Maoists didn't rape prisoners and townspeople. All female Maoist squads, who would disguise their voices so the opposing forces didn't know they were female.

It was interesting that Mao was so adamant that no rape would happen in his army, women would be foot soldiers and women would be 'equal', when China at the time was still so incredibly entrenched in hideous treatment of women (foot-binding for example).

Yy to that Seneca.

Lass, to me it seems like you are trying to tell us how to do feminism No I am not - unless you are suggesting only radical feminism is the approved form on here.I'm not telling you how to do anything.

There was a thread a while back about about whether it was possible to be a feminist and not left wing. Several posters on that thread identified as feminist and not left-wing. Squdzin and others are of the view feminists should ally with Marxism or Socialism.

Seneca, absolutely.

And in Germany, the sex-pozzie wave has not yet reached all the remote islands; being against prostitution is rather standard in liberal feminism.

When I write "libfems" I mean that specific brand of liberal feminism that is also trans-inclusive and pro-prostitution, if you know what I mean.

The initial post of this thread says "I identify as rad fem" ... so ... yes, it does somewhat steer the discussion in that direction.

There are many liberal feminists, especially second wave liberal feminists, who are opposed to prostitution and pornography.

Liberal feminism is unfortunately these days heavily identified with "anything goes" choice feminism. That is not really what it is. It is feminism focused on equality and the reform of existing political and societal structures to achieve equality. Hillary Clinton is a liberal feminist, for example.

Lass, to me it seems like you are trying to tell us how to do feminism.

I am fully aware that there are non-feminists who are opposed to prostitution. Actually, I am rather sure that most women who never have encountered sex-pozzies or the "if men don't get to rape prostitutes, they will rape YOU!" propaganda, are opposed to prostitution because they know they would not want to do it, so why would other women? Simple intuition.

As we talk about radical feminism here, I see no point in trying to do the same thing

On this thread in paricular? Or this forum in general?

Forum says nothing about it only being for radfems , nor for that matter, does the thread.