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Is this parody? I hope it is. (Reproductive rights for people with testicles. What?)

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VestalVirgin · 16/11/2015 16:07

"I can’t have babies. And no one in the reproductive justice movement is talking about this."

This complaint is uttered by a transwoman. I.e. biological male.

everydayfeminism.com/2015/11/trans-women-reproductive-justice/

Has any actual woman ever demanded that treatment for her very real infertility of her real female body be placed above issues like contraception and abortion in the feminist movement? I cannot remember even one such instance.

But here this transwoman is, and demands that feminism prioritize sperm banking.

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MadgeMidgerson · 16/11/2015 18:09

I would love to know how exactly this tiny minority of humans has managed to make everything about them

MadgeMidgerson · 16/11/2015 18:09

Ffs I will never have functioning wings or be able to fly under my own power

Where's my bloody flight justice action group

INickedAName · 16/11/2015 18:06

They want to get pregnant with their own sperm? Like impregnate themselves?

Or do they mean by using their sperm (couldn't write her sperm, sorry)to get a female pregnant, they will say they are pregnant? Apart from they won't be carrying, growing nor giving birth to the baby? Sounds like Appropriating pregnancy along with woman.

Floggingmolly · 16/11/2015 17:49

Nobody spares a thought for the fact that women who were born women don't have a penis. This could be considered discriminatory and fucked up, rather than a simple matter of biology, by the same logic, could it not??
Maybe we just start a justice group to talk about it...

FreshwaterSelkie · 16/11/2015 17:05

I've read this a couple of times, but I can't make head or tail of it...

"What this means is that trans women who stop taking HRT for a few months can reverse sterilization and become pregnant with viable sperm"

but a trans woman has a male reproductive system, surely, so...Confused

How can a person who is talking about freezing their sperm also talk about becoming a mother? Because it really seems like they mean mother as in, births a baby, not as in through adoption or surrogacy.

"nobody in the reproductive justice movement is talking about this" - because nobody has the first idea what you're on about?

And as for this: It’s already difficult enough navigating all the feelings around not being able to carry children, and the constant (fucked up) reminder that “real women” have menstrual cycles....bloody hell. Fucking biology, eh, all essentialist and exlusionary?

VestalVirgin · 16/11/2015 16:58

Well, pregnancy with Micha's sperm certainly is possible. Just not for Micha.

I don't know what the intended implication is - for me it reads as if Micha intends to buy a female slave, whose pregnancy would then be Micha's property, too.

Yes, Edgar Allan Poe would not have come up with something as creepy.

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Floggingmolly · 16/11/2015 16:46

Micha stood before telescope images of her viable sperm. She had been on HRT for many years and still was able to become pregnant
So the plumbing is all male... Yet Micha (I can't say she) thinks pregnancy is a possibility? With Micha's own sperm?
Edgar Allan Poe himself couldn't have come up with such a load of lunatic nonsense.

ChunkyPickle · 16/11/2015 16:44

I think it's a bit odd to compare freezing sperm before taking hormones to birth control.

I think it's more akin to freezing sperm/eggs before chemotherapy surely?

One is preventative, frees women from unwanted pregnancy and all the related risks, one is enabling. I'm not saying that I don't support assistance for people who can't have children without it, but that, and birth control, are completely different things.

It’s absolutely crucial that we have someone to talk mother anxieties with. It’s already difficult enough navigating all the feelings around not being able to carry children, and the constant (fucked up) reminder that “real women” have menstrual cycles.

I think this is something that lots of females also have problems with if they discover that they can't have children, I think sensitivity is always needed around this, and I don't think calling it 'fucked up' that women have menstrual cycles and may discuss them when talking about reproduction is particularly sensitive either.

I do think again that it's not quite the same to not be able to carry a child because you're trans (ie. this is no surprise, you've always known this), vs. not be able to carry a child when you're female and you only find out when you try.

Brocklady · 16/11/2015 16:42

What a load of bollocks

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Floggingmolly · 16/11/2015 16:40

It's a biological fact. Why does it need a justice movement to "talk about it" as if it's discrimination? What a load of bollocks.

VestalVirgin · 16/11/2015 16:38

I know, Hermione, I know ... but I still don't want to believe it.

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HermioneWeasley · 16/11/2015 16:31

Vestal, you know full well that feminists aren't allowed to organise for women any more without prioritising the (increasingly bizarre) demands of a subset of men who know better than we do what it "feels like to be a woman" and therefore their struggles are our struggles.

VestalVirgin · 16/11/2015 16:25

UnDeux, I suppose that is what meant. Kind of dehumanizes that woman who will have to carry the foetus.

I am shocked such an article is published on a feminist site. This is not a site for transwomen, it claims to be for feminists in general. As such, I would have expected a little more respect for women.

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UnDeuxTroisCatsSank · 16/11/2015 16:21

I struggle to understand her argument. How is she going to get pregnant? Is someone else going to carry the foetus conceived of Luna's sperm? Is that what she means by being pregnant?

HermioneWeasley · 16/11/2015 16:16

Talking about "getting pregnant" is very strange

Luna is free to campaign on this issue.

I am free to ignore it and prioritise campaigning for reproductive rights for the 4.5billion women on this planet

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