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Is this parody? I hope it is. (Reproductive rights for people with testicles. What?)

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VestalVirgin · 16/11/2015 16:07

"I can’t have babies. And no one in the reproductive justice movement is talking about this."

This complaint is uttered by a transwoman. I.e. biological male.

everydayfeminism.com/2015/11/trans-women-reproductive-justice/

Has any actual woman ever demanded that treatment for her very real infertility of her real female body be placed above issues like contraception and abortion in the feminist movement? I cannot remember even one such instance.

But here this transwoman is, and demands that feminism prioritize sperm banking.

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ChunkyPickle · 18/11/2015 09:23

I read it as just like the job references thing - someone who isn't trans can happily show them off without thinking (this is the 'cis privilege') whereas a trans person can't without 'outing' themselves

ObsidianBlackbirdMcNight · 18/11/2015 09:15

Isn't the baby photo thing about how we dress babies in pink or blue according to gender norms? Therefore we are being cis sexist towards our children by coercively assigning them a gender role?

venusinscorpio · 18/11/2015 08:51

I don't think Jazz Jennings realises her sister is a real person who isn't just there for her benefit. Therefore why would she even bother to consider that it might have a negative outcome for her sister?

venusinscorpio · 18/11/2015 08:47

Chunky, I don't think it is. It's about other "cis" people being "cis sexist". It wouldn't be the trans person's own baby photos. It's because we as women have to be sensitive to their feelings that it's not fair biological women can have kids, and it reminds them that they're not biologically women.

BuffytheScaryFeministBOO · 18/11/2015 08:45

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GirlSailor · 18/11/2015 08:40

As far as I know the reproductive justice movement focuses on access to contraception, abortion and sexual health services. I didn't realise it had anything to do with infertility and wouldn't expect that to be a good fit.

I'm very surprised that someone who opts to take hormones for the primary reason of suppressing their natural hormones would not be aware that this would leave them infertile.

I also don't like the way pregnancy is talked about. I wince at couples who say 'we're pregnant' so this is too much for me. Isn't pregnancy a protected characteristic under the Equalities Act? It already means something important.

ChunkyPickle · 18/11/2015 08:19

The baby photo thing had me foxed for a bit, but it's actually your baby photos, as in, of you, when you were a kid (I assume, as the other really is a bit too bizarre).

It's because to avoid prejudice, transwomen avoid showing anything from when they presented as the other gender - so references from old jobs, baby photos etc.

Most of my baby photos I'm either just in a nappy, or in the clothes of the day which were very gender neutral (everyone wore the same mothercare dungarees my mum tells me) - you'd be very hard pushed to tell the difference between me and my DSes in baby/toddler photos. I don't think any colleagues have seen.

OneMoreCasualty · 18/11/2015 07:59

I assume the author does realise that they are a commercial service that has to pay for the machine, the stock, refilling the machine, emptying the cash and bearing the loss if it is vandalised.

OneMoreCasualty · 18/11/2015 07:55

I suspect most of us borrow off a friend or nip to a 7-11 type store if we are out in town. As towels and tampons got smaller, having one shoved in your handbag anyway probably more likely.

Unless things are very different where that author lives, I find it hard to believe that a trans man went from a world of tampon abundance in the Ladies to a famine in the Gents. Not sure if the author was cis/trans/bepenised/bevaginaed.

IndominusRex · 18/11/2015 07:48

I did, once, at a wedding when I was about 18 and caught unprepared. Clearly that £1 wasn't enough to keep the industry afloat though.

OneMoreCasualty · 17/11/2015 23:51

I have never seen anyone buy a tampon or tights or a condom or a disposable toothbrush from a toilet machine . Which is probably why they are so rare now...

VestalVirgin · 17/11/2015 22:15

I will dutifully wonder why there are no tampon machines in the men's loo should I ever enter one. Which I rather suspect I will never.
(Also, I never saw something like that in the women's loo, but I suppose it is okay not to wonder why lowly ciswomen are not given this opportunity?)

Where I live, there are only machines that sell condoms in the ladies' restroom. Because priorities, probably. Or they are being trans-friendly by pretending acknowledging that some women have penises?

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EDisFunny · 17/11/2015 22:02

I still can't believe it isn't satire.

I think Everyday Feminism was actually created for and by transactivism and has nothing to do with women or feminism at all.

OneMoreCasualty · 17/11/2015 21:49

Erm? It's rare I find a tampax machine in the Ladies these days!

ObsidianBlackbirdMcNight · 17/11/2015 21:37

According to the "are you cis sexist" article linked on another thread not questioning why there are no tampon machines in the men's loo makes you cis sexist

SomeDyke · 17/11/2015 21:30

" that showing colleagues photos of my baby is "cissexist""
I think that most of us can accept why some infertile women might not always be 100% beaming happy if someone is showing pictures of their new baby. But it is frankly totally disgusting appropriation (Oh, hardly new, hardly original!) for someone to not only claim they are an infertile woman (cos they're actually male so never HAD a uterus), but that they are specially oppressed if they are constantly reminded of this by your baby pics. Cos CISsexism is obviously so much WORSE than ordinary, everyday sexism! Ditto any remarks about period pains, or using the disposal bin in the ladies loo (or even HAVING one I suspect, unless you have ones in the gents as well!). Being reminded of female biological reality upsets men/males no end though, wherever you put the bin! Free-bleeding is probably even MORE offensive, there you go FLAUNTING your menstrual capacity!

Frankly, I suspect just BEING female is enough, given that every second we just will negligently PERSIST in BEING female without benefit of identification, hormones, or surgery, and whether or not anyone notices us performing femininity, or notices us at all..................

FreshwaterSelkie · 17/11/2015 19:33

^this article, not this argument.

FreshwaterSelkie · 17/11/2015 19:33

Vestal, as the noose of gender stereotypes pulls ever tighter, it's looking more and more as if the Handmaid's Tale should be in non-fiction! The logical conclusion of the worldview in this argument is that women=breeding class. Now, where have we heard that before?

EmpressKnowsWhereHerTowelIs · 17/11/2015 19:26

I've tweeted to point out that they're patriarchal, neurosexist and oppressing women by erasing their identity. Since I'm a woman I doubt they'll be that bothered.

VestalVirgin · 17/11/2015 19:23

It could be a satire site, only there's no clear indication ... and Reductress, which is an actual satire site, is way funnier.

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EElisavetaOfBelsornia · 17/11/2015 19:19

Fucking hell that website is warped. I have just flicked through a couple of articles and learned: trans women are regularly offended by lack of access to "women's spaces like nail salons" Hmm ; that showing colleagues photos of my baby is "cissexist"; that the fact that XX and XY chromosomes don't determine intelligence or sexual orientation is proof that they also don't determine sex Confused and that science is quite like maths Grin

Really bizarre.

VestalVirgin · 17/11/2015 19:14

@SomeDyke: Considering that no one needs FIVE kidneys, I don't think they were voluntary at all.

How is one supposed to write a decent dystopic novel nowadays? All the horrible things are already happening!
It's a good thing they have "The Handmaid's Tale" categorized under literature in the library already, if they had put it with fantasy, they'd have to reconsider that.

@venus: That I hope, too, though I am not sure if she will have the strenght, with all that pressure ...
Though there's always sneaky tactics like pretending to be alcoholic or otherwise unfit for pregnancy. I hope she finds a way to avoid that fate, at the very least.

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venusinscorpio · 17/11/2015 19:06

I hope Jazz's sister tells Jazz to fuck off.

SomeDyke · 17/11/2015 19:05

"Girls are expected to donate their uteruses for their brothers - what will be next? Kidneys? Livers?"

Get yer organs out for the lads!

I'm very afraid it has probably already happened -- one man in India seems to have FIVE kidneys after donations from his mother and his two sisters. Given the relative social status of sons compared to daughters in India, I wonder how 'voluntary' those donations really were...........

VestalVirgin · 17/11/2015 18:08

@SomeDyke: I once read a novel about a girl who was only born so her organs could be harvested to keep her sister alive. (She was an identical clone, apparently)
This was dystopian Sci-Fi.

We are not so far away from that anymore, are we? Girls are expected to donate their uteruses for their brothers - what will be next? Kidneys? Livers?

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