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even when men are trying to be supportive of liberal causes, women are othered

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UnDeuxTroisCatsSank · 15/11/2015 20:41

This sentimental meme is all over my FB feed today. Could be worse, I suppose. Could have Britain First memes. But still. Am I the only one who is struck by - yet again -
To be male is normal, the male gaze is normal and women are STILL objectified in a liberal thought piece like this?

"France embodies everything religious zealots everywhere hate: enjoyment of life here on earth in a myriad little ways: a fragrant cup of coffee and buttery croissant in the morning, beautiful women in short dresses smiling freely on the street, the smell of warm bread, a bottle of wine shared with friends, a dab of perfume, children paying in the Luxembourg Gardens, the right not to believe in any god, not to worry about calories, to flirt and smoke and enjoy sex outside of marriage, to take vacations, to read any book you want, to go to school for free, to play, to laugh, to argue, to make fun of prelates and politicians alike, to leave worrying about the afterlife to the dead."

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UnDeuxTroisCatsSank · 15/11/2015 21:39

Look, Lass I get vthat there are bugs goer I sues to debate regarding terrorism right now. But ugly women get to wear the clothes they want in France, not just beautiful ones. By making it about beautiful women, it is about the way men perceive women. So the fact that all women get to choose hat they wear is irrelevant ( not mentioned) but thank fuck the beautiful ones get to wear short skirts so men can get their buzz from that.

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HairyLittleCarrot · 15/11/2015 21:07

Oh wait, not the same video Blush

the first video had edited in other clips. Sorry.

LassWiTheWellStockitFarm · 15/11/2015 21:05

But men suffer very little, if any, religious control on how they dress. The morality police in Saudi and Iran are policing women, not men.

HairyLittleCarrot · 15/11/2015 21:05

Ooh, spot on. Nail on head. In the light of the Paris horror, A male friend of mine posted this video on FB asking us all to please share. It's Charlie Chaplin giving a rousing speech in "The Dictator". I watched it, and I wanted to ignore my hackles rising because of the sentiments, but by the squillionth "Men!" I wanted to growl.

Maybe it is just me. I felt like I was going to get flamed for saying it didn't speak to me, because, different era, blah blah...but FGS surely there's a way of expressing those sentiments without requiring women to please ignore how completely irrelevant the speaker considers you all, because that's not the point...

It may well be me being sensitive after some of the recent threads.

UnDeuxTroisCatsSank · 15/11/2015 20:54

Right. Something like 'men and women can dress how they wish, without religious interference.'

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Helmetbymidnight · 15/11/2015 20:52

Yes, it's annoying - it's written by men for men - the addition of 'handsome men in jeans and tight t.shirts' would help.

UnDeuxTroisCatsSank · 15/11/2015 20:49

Othered it should say in the title.

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LassWiTheWellStockitFarm · 15/11/2015 20:46

I think in this context, it's fair enough. There are plenty of societies where beautiful women absolutely cannot be seen in short dresses , smiling freely on the street.

You are assuming this is solely for the male gaze as opposed to it being the right of women to wear what they want.

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