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Co-operative Housekeeping ?

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EleanorHoward · 15/11/2015 13:05

Hi all! I'm new to Mumsnet, not a mother myself but a 25 year old woman living in London and interested in feminism, architecture (my profession) and family life in the city.

I did a quick search on 'housekeeping', which returned a LOT of results and seems, understandably, to be a hot topic on Mumsnet. The main thing that struck me is that modern mothers (and to some extent, fathers) are expected by society and themselves to have a successful career and still uphold the duties involved in reproductive labour - domestic chores etc etc, unless they can be outsourced to a domestic worker.

It got me thinking about alternatives to how most of us live, in particular the historic example of co-operative housekeeping, pioneered by American feminist Melusina Fay Pierce in the nineteenth century.

www.spatialagency.net/database/peirce

The question I want to ask is do you think we could take aspects of this idea and come up with a way of sharing household duties in order to save time and money?

Does anyone know of an example of this being done at the moment? Logistics aside, how would you feel about, for example, sharing cooking duties with neighbours?

I'd be really interested to hear any opinions on this.

Ellie

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EnaSharplesHairnet · 15/11/2015 14:30

Yes howto. I remember the relief of ditching communal living.

megletthesecond · 15/11/2015 14:02

If there was some way of single parents sharing the load it would help.

howtorebuild · 15/11/2015 13:56

If community kitchens worked you wouldn't have the problems at uni in halls.

princesscelestia1 · 15/11/2015 13:54

I do eat a lot of convinence food and chuck in oven stuff. Dh does fancy stuff using all these herbs and the food processor and god knows what. Way out of my ability level!

Unfortunately due to this I waste too much on eating out, take aways and pre made sauces. Singapore sounds like my type of place.

ChunkyPickle · 15/11/2015 13:51

Yes Princess - I've even gone as far as to cost out a month of dinners from M&S or similar, and it's not quite doable yet...

ChunkyPickle · 15/11/2015 13:50

I used to live in Singapore, where eating out is very, very common - there are food stalls under virtually every building where you can get lunch/dinner cheaply. My (local) neighbours very rarely cooked, someone would just pop over to the local food court and bring home lunch/dinner or they'd go over themselves as a family.

It was very freeing to know that you could come in and not have to cook, just swing buy and grab what you fancied, and not pay the earth for it.

Similarly, elsewhere I used to go to lunch at a charity Indian restaurant where you just went and picked up a meal of whatever they were cooking that day and paid them a fair price.

Local cafes/kitchens/affordable foodcourts I think are a fantastic idea - they bring a community together and give true value - eating out is just too expensive in this country.

princesscelestia1 · 15/11/2015 13:48

Personally I could not think of anything worse than a return to matrilineal family set ups. I can rely on my husband to cook, clean and do childcare. I definitely could not rely on my mother!

princesscelestia1 · 15/11/2015 13:45

If there was a place you could give a months food money to and they cooked all meals for my family I would do it. Sort of like a canteen or forces mess so you never had to shop again.

EleanorHoward · 15/11/2015 13:41

Another point on following your last comment VestalVirgin - really interesting about the woman's paid job being considered less important. Would other mums agree?

Does anyone feel that the job of 'housewife' is also underplayed? Are men put off being 'househusbands' because it's seen to be less important than going out to work?

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EleanorHoward · 15/11/2015 13:37

The cheap neighbourhood cafe is an interesting one - there used to be community kitchens in the states but I don't think they exist any more. Does anyone know of a successful example of a shared kitchen?

The point about some not being as open to collaborating with people outside of the family as others is definitely something I could relate to, being quite introverted myself. It's difficult to imagine it being popular to stay living in the family home, however there are issues of the ageing population and care for the elderly which could be resolved at the same time if families stuck together. Having said that, the thought of moving in with my parents would fill me and I'm sure them with dread, at least for the time being!

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VestalVirgin · 15/11/2015 13:28

Not saying that men shouldn't do housework, but considering the present state of things, I think that would work best if they lived alone or with other men.There is a tendency that it's always the woman's paid job that is considered less important when children are sick, etc.

VestalVirgin · 15/11/2015 13:22

Interesting. I dislike most other people, so would not be a good person to pioneer this, but I can see it working for people who are more social than I.

The thing closest to this I have seen happening was single mothers moving in with each other to share the housekeeping and childcare with each other.

What I think might work for people like myself is a return to matrilinieal family structures; i.e. women staying with their family or origin instead of moving in with a husband. Grandmother, mothers and children would then live in the same building and be able to share housekeeping.

EnaSharplesHairnet · 15/11/2015 13:22

Not specifically answering your question but it occurred to me:

The best bet would be a good cheap neighbourhood cafe. I've been to excellent community / church cafes in the States. But it will never happen in the UK (outside of the wartime of the last century) as we like our privacy.

A sad step back the reduction in meals on wheels for the elderly which was a success story for a long time in the UK.

EleanorHoward · 15/11/2015 13:18

Very valid point. I'm speaking from a place of no experience other than being brought up in a family who outsourced some childcare, so apologies if I'm being a bit naive, but from just what I've read in other forums there seem to be a lot of mums who are struggling with day to day housework. I suppose I'm imagining families whose parents both don't always have time to cook and/or single parent families.

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JoeMommuh · 15/11/2015 13:11

Why on EARTH would I share cooking duties with my neighbour instead of my husband?

Have I wildly misunderstood the post?

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