Becky Watts murder

Won't be having much fun today as I'm going to a funeral.

HTH

No Mascara, repugnant because they're repugnant by any yardstick.

Not your friend.

Not a bigot.

Able to read threads before crayoning on them, unlike you, it would seem.

Have fun.

Oh you going to sleep? Night!

Ah, then you are less witty than I thought. Hey ho.

Nighty night then.

No

Are you misquoting Rachel Greene?

Repugnant because my opinions obviously don't match your opinions.

That my friend, is what you call a BIGOT.

Mascara ... what OneMore said, plus a side order of, your views on many things are fairly repugnant, so I can't take you seriously.

Nice of you to join us. Bye.

Mascara (a) that's not an argument many have made (b) plenty of posters who identify as feminists agree with you and (c) not every poster on this thread identifies as a feminist so bunch of feminists is inaccurate

HTH.

Oh look, a bunch of feminists being an apologist for a woman that was involved in a murder. Making her out to be a poor little delicate flower just because she's a woman. Thought women were strong? Well then she's strong enough to go to prison.

And things like this, are why I don't take feminism seriously.

And no, I'm not a man.

Ayeamarok, I don't understand what you mean by that. Could you explain?

Even women at their best are not as good as men at their best.

Does this change help you see why this is very wrong?

Surely this shouldn't be about sex points scoring? Women are people to.

"the man is the monster and the woman is an innocent who never would have done that without a man's twisting influence."

But who actually says that? I'm not saying that viewpoint doesn't exist but I've never seen it except when it's been used as an exaggerated representation of what people think other people think.

The take home for me is that even women at their worst are not as evil as men at their worst. They're usually accomplices and enablers, sick and twisted yes, but not the driving force.

As for finding evidence of an abusive and controlling relationship did you watch the video where he said the poor victim needed to be "taught a lesson" for being a bitch? I mean if that's not the sign of a controlling mind I don't know what is!

None of that excuses her actions I hasten to add and SH should definitely be brought to justice for her heinous actions.

I've no idea what happened in this case, but in English law, coercion is not a defence to the charge of murder.

GloriaSmellens, she was a grown woman when the crime happened, but she was not when she got into this relationship.

I don't think he coerced her much when she was an adult, but I do think the fact that she was a teenager when she got into a relationship with him means that he influenced the development of her sense of right and wrong.

Where I live, someone of the age of 21 would maybe not even be treated as adult by the court, but as adolescent.

Of course she should go to prison, as whatever she might have been at 15, she was the accomplice in a murder case. Just pointing out that this should be taken into consideration.

I can't believe people are making excuses for Shauna Hoare.

By all means, discuss the violent porn aspect of this case. But seriously, infantalising and making excuses for a grown woman who was totally.complicit in this horrific crime is just horrible. As others have said, if she was really totally coerced into doing this against her Will by Matthews, then that is the defence she would have given, not the 'I didn't know anything about it' one. And given how shit and ridiculous that defence was, one can assume that the defence had decided that never in a million years could they convince a jury that she had done this through coercion.

Plus... I think, given the kinds of porn Matthews habitually downloaded and viewed, I'd say that porn is pretty central to the whole case.

Actually slugs, I wasn't responding to you. Just like the vast majority of people didn't respond to my question right at the beginning. One of the problems of a non-threaded forum, I suppose.

I wasn't aware that Hoare was involved in the killing, I was under the impression that she had been found guilty of manslaughter because she was involved with the kidnap and dismemberment. Either way, she has been rightly found guilty. Unlike one of the men who murdered my friend's mother.

Porn is however, very relevant in how people even get to have such rape fantasies.