Petition to stop trans woman being sent to make prison

Solitary confinement is banned under article 3 of the Geneva Convention on Human Rights. It's a bit fucked up that supporters of a movement concerned with equal rights should be advocating it under any circumstances.

I'm sure they will put her in solitary in the male prison.

She needs to be put in solitary.

She identifies as a woman and looks like a woman so this does put her at risk from male inmates.

However, she has not completed her transformation and still has a penis so it isn't appropriate for her to go to a female prison either. Particularly as she is in prison for a violent assault - she might have the strength/stature of a man or at least her physical capabilities are disproportionate to other female inmates.

Solitary in either prison will protect her and others - she has been violent which is why she's in there in the first place.

The penis = red herring was tongue in cheek

The comment was in response to:
"I'd suggest they're vulnerable to a man sized/built, aggressive inmate with a penis...."
Which suggested to me that the penis (owned by Tara) was the source of the threat.
Anyway, more generally, rather than this case, I agree with you.

Male bodied people, regardless of how they "identify" should not be in women's prisons and their crimes should not be recorded as having been committed by women.

Where they are put is not my problem - tas can campaign for that, as long as it is not with women.

I'm quite tickled by the idea of a penis being a red herring. I've heard a lot of different theories as regards what trans people's penises (penii?) are and are not, but that's a new one on me.

I think the red penis herring is the bottom line. It's not specifically that this person themselves poses a serious threat (though they may do, as I can't seem to find out what offence(s) they have been jailed for). It's that its the thin end of the wedge that weakens the ability to protect women in prison from people who definitely are a serious threat to them. this from the British Associate of Gender Identity Specialists, ie the people who work with trans issues, explains why it needs urgent consideration. Sexual predators are thrilled about the prospect of being able to access women only spaces, and campaigns like this are paving the way for it.

That's alright.

cadnowyllt Sorry, I'm not engaging with someone who makes thinly veiled attempts to support the rapist, Ched Evans.

RickRoll Sorry, just saw your most recent post - yes, that's why I said I wasn't sure if it was the same now. I work in a different field nowadays, and also am aware that it has been made a lot easier to pay for a licence. Back then, it was all in one go, or nothing.

RickRoll Those figures are I'm guessing from more recently, not from 20+ years ago? Also, each category covers multiple offences - eg: violence against the person includes everything from premeditated murder down to common assault. Technically, both crimes come under the same category, but they are quite different crimes. And yes, non-payment of fines does come with a shorter sentence, but people convicted of it will still become part of the prison population.

An altogether persuasive argument - where do I send the tenner ? A charity of your choice perhaps.

also the female prison population has trebled since that time.

it probably was the most common reason, but the tv licence prisoners would have been a very small % of the prison population. Also the number of prison sentences for tv licence non-payment is down by almost 90% since the 1990s

I'm afraid I'm a bit old fashioned, if he has a penis, then he's a man.

I'm sure that he'll be at just as much risk as a "pretty" 22 year old man would be.

That was to cadnowyllt - oh, and backing it up, news reports, current affairs programmes, campaigns against it happening, the experience of social workers and people who worked with ex-offenders. IIRC there were even questions asked about it in parliament.

Well, you'd lose your £10, because that was the case at the time.

sorry those are the % of prisoners by category of offence at a given point in time.

"It might have changed, but in the 1990s the most common single reason for women to be sent to prison was for non-payment of fines issued for not having a television licence."

that's not a very useful stat, because most of those get short sentences and will be out quickly.

Females:
Violence against the person: 28%
Theft and handling stolen goods: 16%
Other offences: 15%
Drug offences: 14%
Robbery: 9%
Burglary: 7%
Fraud/forgery: 5%
Sexual offences: 3%
Motoring offences: 1%

Males:
Violence against the person: 27%
Sexual offences: 16%
Drug offences: 14%
Robbery: 12%
Burglary: 10%
Other offences: 10%
Theft and handling stolen goods: 6%
Fraud and forgery: 2%
Motoring offences: 1%

The rate of assaults in women's prisons has been somewhat lower since 2009 than in men's prisons; previously it was higher.

So on the whole the proportion of violent prisoners in male and female prisons is similar, however male prisons have far more sex offenders.

It is not really clear to me that Tara Hudson, legally a man, would be less at risk of violence in a women's prison.

People such as Gary Glitter have come through HMP Bristol (sadly) unscathed, so it is unclear to me that Tara Hudson is at fact at risk here.

Saskia

I'd bet good money on that being completely untrue - well a £10 at least. What have you got to back it up ?

Does anyone have any history on this violent offender? Was the assault on a biological man or a biological woman? What are the previous convictions?

It might have changed, but in the 1990s the most common single reason for women to be sent to prison was for non-payment of fines issued for not having a television licence.

It is an international human right that females have a right to be in a separate estate when in prison to people whose sex is male.

I think the penis is a red herring.

Less of a "red herring" and more of "the bottom line," I'd say.

"I'd suggest they're vulnerable to a man sized/built, aggressive inmate with a penis...."

Not sure more so than an agressive female with a makeshift weapon and maybe a bunch of friends.
Even given her violent convictions, it's possible that she'll be the one in more danger in a women's prison.
I think the penis is a red herring.