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Petition to stop trans woman being sent to make prison

165 replies

FriendofBill · 28/10/2015 00:13

www.change.org/p/bath-magistrates-prison-govenor-of-hm-prison-bristol-british-judicial-system-stop-transgender-woman-tara-hudson-from-being-sent-to-an-all-male-prison-in-bristol

I came across this on change.
Contentious issue.
My thoughts are that there needs to be a safe space for women...does that necessarily include who identifies as women?

I know there are some learned types on here, I would be very interested to hear your views.

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OneFlewOverTheDodosNest · 29/10/2015 11:36

So a number of commenters on that article have stated that it's the right for Tara to be moved as no-one goes to prison to get raped. Whilst this is entirely true, I wonder whether their concerns extend to the female prison population.

howtorebuild · 29/10/2015 11:34
Shock
OneFlewOverTheDodosNest · 29/10/2015 11:32

I think a number of statistics on that link are unreliable Stephanie but the links to the stories are definitely eye opening.

RickRoll · 29/10/2015 11:32

Anybody want to start an alternative petition, to keep people with penises out of women's spaces?

RickRoll · 29/10/2015 11:27

So apparently he WILL be moved, based on the fraudulent misrepresentations in the newspapers.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3294717/Transgender-prisoner-moved-women-s-prison.html

StephanieDA · 29/10/2015 11:05

It does make a difference that Tara chooses to work in the sex industry - her profile fits exactly that of an autogynephile - a man who becomes the object of his sexual fantasy, an auto-erotic fetish. Porn star breasts + penis is common, and 'sex work' is chosen as a means of living out that fantasy (and not, as the trans activists would have it, something that poor trans people have to do to be able to afford surgery).

It's estimated that something like 80% of MtF trans are actually autogynephiliac males. Under current law there is no way of knowing and it would be 'transphobic hate speech' to ask.

genderidentitywatch.com/transwomen-sexualized-violence/

It actually doesn't matter what the individual circumstances are, women have a right to women-only prisons and that right is being taken away with no debate. Not one media report (or politician) has even thought to mention women's rights in all this - it's almost as if the female prisoners didn't exist.

CactusAnnie · 29/10/2015 11:04

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FreshwaterSelkie · 29/10/2015 06:42

Your alternative headline is spot on, Rick, other than that I don't think her being a sex worker is here or there. It does demonstrate, though, that things are not quite as they've been reported, and seem to have been manipulated for effect. I haven't gone to the sex work review site, because I don't think that's relevant. However, from her previous appearances in the papers (it is her, the tattoos are identical but she clearly goes by a number of aliases), there's still quite a different story here, and it's one that makes the concerns for the safety of the women in the prison very realistic. She thinks it's amusing to end up in bed with people and "surprise" them with her clearly fully-functioning penis. They've spun it as best they can that she is harmless and helpless, but the magistrate obviously didn't buy it after seeing her in the flesh.

That said, I don't think having or not having a penis is all that needs to be said about the dangers posed to women-only spaces by MTT. There's a lot more to it than that.

RickRoll · 28/10/2015 21:51

The BBC says 'She has had reconstructive surgery'

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-34650486

However Tara's presence on 'Hung Angels' and boasts of a seven inch cock, tells us this a lie.

The petition says Tara " has undergone six years of gender reconstruction surgery"

www.change.org/p/bath-magistrates-prison-govenor-of-hm-prison-bristol-british-judicial-system-stop-transgender-woman-tara-hudson-from-being-sent-to-an-all-male-prison-in-bristol

RickRoll · 28/10/2015 21:21

No, same person, it says there 'tia star'.

Same tattoos, you can see them on the Daily Mail pictures if you scroll down.

EElisavetaOfBelsornia · 28/10/2015 21:02

Isn't that someone different Rick? Confused

TiggyD · 28/10/2015 20:51

This is a picture of her by the way.

RickRoll · 28/10/2015 20:41

What does her being a make-up artist (as reported) have to do with where she is imprisoned?

And the media have printed lots of sexy photos of her looking like a slightly built teenage girl, it's rather relevant if multiple people say that in reality she is statuesque and masculine, when she wants to go to a women's prison.

Her own mother has literally said '“There’s nothing male about her, nobody would know the difference." and "She looks like a woman. She’s gorgeous."

The media line is that she's a gorgeous slight female and she's using this to try to be sent to a women's-only space, evidence that this is bollocks is rather relevant.

Mide7 · 28/10/2015 20:34

I'm not denying the media aspect Rick but what does her being a transgender sex worker bring to conversation about how she should be imprisoned?

Also I'm not sure linking a website dedicated to effectively review sex workers isn't slut shaming and probably not the most reliable character reference.

RickRoll · 28/10/2015 20:33

Sorry, 'Violent six-foot tall transsexual alcoholic prostitute', even.

RickRoll · 28/10/2015 20:32

Also the reports on the review site are that Tara is rather tall, which is a significant fact also.

There is NO word in the papers on the violence that Tara perpetuated.

The headline could easily be 'Six foot Tara Hudson left victim X needing stitches after unprovoked attack in a bar' (sample headline, I have no idea what the facts of the attack were), but instead we aren't hearing a word about the attack, but instead how hard done by Tara has been.

Also Tara's Twitter, and Tara's mum statement suggests that Tara has an alcohol problem. So you could have perfectly justifiably ended up with a headline like 'Violent six-foot tall transsexual alcoholic who boasted of a seven-inch penis wants to be sent to woman's prison'.

Nobody would sign a petition after reading that.

RickRoll · 28/10/2015 20:25

I'm not using it as a stick, I'm saying it's curious how the media, which likes to slut shame women, is deciding to say that a violent transsexual prostitute is actually a docile makeup artist.

There is a spectrum between:

  1. Woman teacher has secret double life (nobody's business)

and in the middle:

  1. Transsexual convicted of violent crime, quietly serves six weeks in prison without complaining

and what we have here which is

  1. Transsexual committed of violent crime against a woman, claims to have a very small penis and wants to be sent to women's prison

Obviously 'transsexual prostitute' gives a very different impression from 'make-up artist'.

Mide7 · 28/10/2015 20:18

I'd also imagine her mum doesn't know the size of her penis

Mide7 · 28/10/2015 20:16

Fair enough the media do portray things with an agenda but seems strange to me that on a board about feminism ( where sex work is often discussed) that your using that as a stick to prod her with.

HermioneWeasley · 28/10/2015 20:15

Yes, Rick's alternative headlines show the reality of the situation!

RickRoll · 28/10/2015 20:09

I think it's very relevant how the media chooses to portray people, yes.

One line would be 'violent thug who boasted of seven-inch cock wants to go to women's prison'

but instead they've picked some sexy photos and dutifully reported that Tara's mum says that Tara barely has a penis.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3291097/Transgender-woman-born-man-sent-male-prison-despite-fears-safety-following-assault-conviction.html

Mide7 · 28/10/2015 20:05

Does that have any relevance to her conviction and or how she gets imprisoned Rick?

RickRoll · 28/10/2015 20:04

I do find it very curious that Tara is being described in the media as a 'make-up artist', rather than as a transsexual prostitute.

They are obviously aware of this, because the pictures have been taken from Twitter/Instagrams which makes it very clear that Tara is an adult worker, and doesn't mention anything about make-up.

RickRoll · 28/10/2015 19:48

According to Tara's profile on adultwork, s/he offers (at £120 for 1/2 hour)

a '7inch surprise'

So someone is a fucking liar.

Also, someone on 3rd May reports

"Stay away, I went to meet her a while ago in her run down flat
she was a lot taller than I expected & was more manly than her pics suggest, when I said she didn't look like her pics she went crazy & so I left"

www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?63680-Tia-Star-new-escort-in-Bath/page3