Petition to stop trans woman being sent to make prison

Without her certificate I wonder whether the crime stats will have her offences as being committed by a man or a woman

Is there a way we can protest against the mis-recording of stats re: transgender people? I have a feeling this is going to become a bigger issue and that crimes committed by transwomen will start to have serious impact and implications on figures for crimes committed by women.

Latest on her losing her appeal against her sentence.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34675778

With eight previous convictions, including battery (as well as her conviction for head butting a barman) I reckon little miss Tara can look after herself pretty well.

Here's a thought. How about not going round assaulting people - then you wouldn't have to go to prison in the first place?

Without her certificate I wonder whether the crime stats will have her offences as being committed by a man or a woman…..

As the numbers of males claiming to be trans rises, I have no doubt that a trans only wing will be set up somewhere. Given that TG and TW commit crimes at about the same rate as males.

I find this an extremely complex question. I also flipped the situation and wondered how I would feel if it was a male prisoner who had gender reassignment. Should he got to a men's prison ?

I came to the conclusion, along with a number of other posters, that separate wings for trains gender inmates is the only way to manage this situation. I can't see it happening though. Too many ££'s.

I would sign it if it was worded differently, with more compassion towards Tara. I think it's a mistake to go hard line against transwomen. I very much like the overstating this is an equity issue, you can't put a woman's safety second to a transWoma's safety, what happened to equality?

Thanks for that link, Inicked, I have signed it now. I really hope that Tara will also be segregated in the women's prison.

Can't believe how short-sighted people are - "Oh, poor Tara, at risk in a men's prison, the poor love, let's get her moved". "Er, OK, but what about all the female prisoners who now have to share a shower, or maybe get locked in cell overnight with a violent offender with a penis and who don't get any choice in that?"

"Oh. They'll be fine. Tara's a woman too".

Right.

proper link this time

Petition someone just started to prevent Tara from being moved to female prison. www.change.org/p/the-rt-hon-nicky-morgan-mp-the-ministry-of-justice-stop-a-male-offender-being-moved-to-a-female-prison?recruiter=228814151&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink

Sorry Bela

God, how pathetic - I bet anything that a petition about a female prisoner wouldn't have got the coverage or resulted in a complete change of outcome within 24hours.

I really hope that Tara doesn't hurt any of the women she comes into contact with and inmates are able to refuse sharing space with someone who is essentially male.

Yes RR and PWWO that was my point - the reporting in the Guardian was vague and many readers will draw the incorrect conclusion about what surgery/state of transition. The other reports give a different picture.
I was agreeing that it does not seem a good idea to be moved to a women's prison, yet they are at risk in a men's prison as well.

Tara still has their fully functioning dick. And their violence. And their male musculature. In a female prison, with women who almost certainly are way more vulnerable than Tara is.

completed what surgery? There are men on the forum reporting having had sex with him on the night before he was sent to prison. I would imagine they would comment if the advertised seven-inch penis was missing!

The Guardian's reporting here doesn't make it clear but infers Tara has completed the surgery.
The current situation is not good for Tara or potentially for women in the prison she will be transferred to. As other PP have said, why aren't the women being considered in this as well?

A person with a 7 inch cock who has a history of violence gets send to a prison full of women, many of them vulnerable, who have no way of avoiding her?

Could an equally violent adult prisoner identify as a child and be send to a juvenile facility?

But prisons are not segregated on the basis of gender. They are segregated on the basis of sex. She hasn't had a sex change.
There's no good solution to this, and I agree with the comment a few pages back about women being thrown under the bus (as per).

I presume the MP accepted what he was told by the prisoner/prisoner's mother.

There does seem to be a legitimate purpose for this 'gender recognition certificate', as it saves taking the word of violent criminals that they are 'actually a woman, honest guv', as 100% truthful and accurate.

Where did the MP get their information from? If they were wrong they now look foolish.

this was in Parliament yesterday

www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/505f7377-2dd2-4428-9615-711432858a7c

At 16:39 Tara's MP (who is likewise a gay man) repeats the lies reported in the press (viz. six years of surgery - three years ago Tara claimed to have had NO surgery, and since then has only had breast implants).

It was also raised at 11:29 today where an MP states that Tara is being moved to a woman's prison

www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/ddbd1a20-c7d9-44e9-b073-25dbf96fe086

Dm website says she's getting moved to a woman's prison today.

not sure if this is accurate:

www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/3qent0/stop_transgender_woman_tara_hudson_from_being/cwg8it6

Very different from the claims in the petition.

www.gov.uk/government/ministers/minister-for-women-and-equalities--3