Can I be proud of DD here please?!

My dd is having to go to church for a year to get in to our local school (40 hours of Sunday school in return for four years of walking across the road instead of bussing to the next town). Last week they were separated into nurses and soldiers. Dd pointed out that there shouldn't be any gender bias in these groups. The idiot leading her class insisted that nurses are girls and girls can't be soldiers.

I think she was very polite considering. Why is it that some people can't accept that sometimes the child is right and the adult is a fool? I proved this last night during dds maths homework .

"Feminists do set the cause back by being confrontational and moaning about inconsequential things. Just like any argument is weakened by that behaviour. I frequently find the feminist section on MN to be rude, aggressive and looking for ways to be professionally offended."

Sorry, I didn't realise you were the sole arbiter of what is considered to be 'consequential' or not, and of what was 'reasonable' for someone to be offended at or not.

See thread on female anger, btw, where the gendered nature of this is discussed at some length.

Oh give over Bubbletree. You wrote something a little bit mean about a 7 yr old girl and got called out on it. You'd get a similar response in AIBU or any other section to a post other people disagreed with. In fact in certain other sections the disagreement would probably be more robust!

And you know what maybe she did put the adult on the spot. Why is that a bad thing? Should we not question things because some people may not relish it?

Shame about your DDs Guide unit Feet, but did you know that as a Guide, she can get 2-4-1 tickets to see Suffragette?

new.girlguiding.org.uk/latest-updates/opportunities-with-girlguiding/2-for-1-suffragette-film-cinema-ticket-offer

But god it gets so dull and frustrating being non-confrontational all the time. Most of us have to wait until we're old and wear purple before we are brave enough to shout about the rubbish. Not Satan's DD! And anyway, she sounds quite polite, not shouty!

Well done satan's DD.

(That came out a bit strange )

Well Venus, the OP I read had no fist bumping or anything like that going on. The employee didn't even answer the accusation of gender stereotyping. I used the words "harassing an underpaid employee" because that is the gist I got from the actual conversation the OP wrote out. Didn't sound like the employee was relishing the conversation.

I use "precocious" in relation to girls or boys equally. Depends who is being precocious! Nothing to do with putting girls in their box. In fact, if I think of a child I know in RL who is precocious, it's a boy. He likes to tell adults they're wrong. Hence the label.

BTW I have a girl and a boy. They have the exact same upbringing. They share toys and clothes. I also have a STEM degree for the purposes of feminist bingo.

Feminists do set the cause back by being confrontational and moaning about inconsequential things. Just like any argument is weakened by that behaviour. I frequently find the feminist section on MN to be rude, aggressive and looking for ways to be professionally offended.

The most recent example of gender discrimination I've faced in my own real life is the same as a pp stated. My ds wanted to join the "girls" netball session at school. Not allowed.

I'm never posting in the feminist section again. I find it very closed minded and feel I am wasting my time.

Bubbletree I think saying that OP's daughter was "harassing an underpaid employee" is a bit disingenuous. Part of my DD's job involves running soft play birthday party. She would have been delighted to meet a clever, articulate young feminist like OP's daughter. People who work at soft play places presumably do so because they like kids. My daughter would have probably fist-bumped OP's dd and told me all about all the excellent kid she'd met at work that day.

Tbh the comment of your dd was right it to the point if 'it's gender stereotyping'. Because at that point, she started lecturing and that wasn't appropriate IMO (or rather not in these settings)

can I add my ds for his countless grumbles at me that he can't do what is considered a 'girl sport' (netball)? As well as his grumbles about having boys and girls sports in secondary?

He is also noticing that there are fewer girls in the top sets in maths :(

My DS is 3, he told me the other day, full of outrage, that someone at nursery had said 'only girls like pink'
He tells me he corrected them

I think your dd was a bit rude and precocious.

No. Agree with pp, precocious is only directed at females. I got called precocious by a manager recently, because I politely disagreed.

Better off teaching our girls to have confidence in their own views, in the same way adult men do.

She wasn't rude. And precocious is a word that only ever seems to be levelled at girls who should be Put. Back. In. Their. Box.

And people wonder why boys/men have more inner confidence/dominate conversations/learn that their words matter?

These stories have made me smile today, well done to all of them and thanks for sharing. I hope my DD will be the same when she's bigger.

FFS, a seven year old does not 'harass' anybody! And nor should we be teaching girls to put up with sexism in the name of politeness.

YAY for strong young girls!

Hmmmmmmm I'm not so sure. I think your dd was a bit rude and precocious. She could have asked you and then you could have taken it up with the management, rather than harassing an underpaid employee who probably had nothing at all to do with the decision/purchasing and who had just hosted a party for your dd.

I would be very embarrassed if either of mine had participated in that exchange. As well as teaching them about gender stereotyping, I've taught them to be grateful when someone does something for them (host a party) and thankful for any gifts offered, regardless of appropriateness.

Woo hoo!

Sadly I can't think of any specific examples to quote from my DDs right now. However, DD1, at a CofE school, does appear to be very anti religion, and I can only support her in that! She has also decided she wants to play rugby, so no gender stereotypes have wheedled into her brain there.

What feminist books are you planning to push in the direction of your tween/teen DDs? Is there anything out there I need to find?

Love it! :) Well done miniSatan.

I'd like to laud my DS (4.4) for immediately understanding why it would be unfair for me to be paid £6 to do the washing up while daddy would be paid £10 doing the same washing up he was still musing on the injustice of it some time later so I hope it has sunk in.....

Good on both of them, there is hope :)
Can I add mine too please?

DD(12) is getting increasing fed up with her Guide pack and the other week came out positively disgusted. They had being doing some stuff about which 'Little Miss' they would be and why . DD had politely refused to do it as she wanted to know why it was all twee Little Miss stuff and the Mr Men were just Mr and could be Strong or Clever etc? In the car on the way home I asked her if we dropped the Little Miss which would she be? "Miss Feminism" was her determined reply and I nearly punched the air in pride :o

Guess who is now planning on joining the Scouts and coming to see Suffragette with me at the weekend?

Oh, this is good to read! Well done MN daughters!