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SAS hell week

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80schild · 05/10/2015 17:01

I am wondering why there is not a thread about this programme in feminism. I am sure you have all heard of the SAS and the fact that women aren't allowed in because they are not considered strong enough.

So I have been following this programme, with particular reference to one woman. She entered to prove that women could compete with men (surely something that feminism would be proud of) - well guess what, she won, against 25 blokes and 3 other women.

Surely, this is a feminist issue - that a woman should at least be able to try for the SAS on a level playing field (i.e., no adjustments made for sex), if she wants to.

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DiscoGoGo · 05/10/2015 19:58

I know it's nonsense isn't it.

Haven't there been loads of disaster type scenarios where the fit young men were all shoving the women children elderly etc out of the way to get out first? Which is standard self defence, so you know that's how it goes, but the reaction to that, and this army thing. It's like the narrative "men are brave and strong and protective" is so strong as to over-write what actually happens!

I mean, some people are brave and strong and protective, sure. And some aren't. And that's life. But the narrative is wrong isn't it.

grimbletart · 05/10/2015 19:55

Yes, men are so protective of women aren't they? Is that why it is usually men who subject women to DV rather the other women and men who rape women. Really protective that.

DiscoGoGo · 05/10/2015 19:34

I think a lot of the push back on this is to do with gender roles and a feeling of a fundamental challenge to the core of masculinity if a woman can do this stuff

DiscoGoGo · 05/10/2015 19:33

There have been a couple of threads on this.

I think most women agreed that if women can meet the criteria then they should be allowed to join.
It was accepted that fewer women than men will meet it due to size differences.
There was some conversation around whether the tests should be updated, as they were all based around a man of a certain height etc when actually being small and nippy but still hard as nails would be valuable in some circs.
There was discussion about the marching stride distance and how the protective gear is designed for men so breasts get in the way
And some talk about menstruation

But overall the basic answer was yes if women can do it then of course they should be able to do it

I don't buy this protectiveness stuff, men aren't particularly protective of women any more than men if they aren't family (and presumably are more protective of male family!)

Anyway if you do a search you might find it Smile

Marshy · 05/10/2015 18:49

Men being protective of the women.

SurlyCue · 05/10/2015 18:38

Did what happen in the programme?

Marshy · 05/10/2015 18:36

Did that happen in the programme? No, thought not....

SurlyCue · 05/10/2015 18:24

the men would feel too protective of them, and that making sure the women were ok would distract everyone

They could try seeing the women as people rather than a gender. That might help Hmm

YouBastardSockBalls · 05/10/2015 18:21

Broight this up with a friend who is a Marine.
He said that women shouldn't be allowed in as the men would feel too protective of them, and that making sure the women were ok would distract everyone.

I then hid the subject from my mind.

PlaysWellWithOthers · 05/10/2015 18:17

There was a thread about it.... iirc, we were told not to be quite so silly, and that ladies couldn't possibly do it... I think I hid it in the end, as I can't find it now.

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