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Some men cannot cope with feminism's victory

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jezestbelle · 26/09/2015 09:40

Spent the evening yesterday with a male friend of a few years standing who I see from time to time. We always talk about everything and since DS left home I have more time. I had a really really long in depth chat with him about the different pressures on men and women. He is I have to say relatively empathetic about women and societal expectations, entitled men etc. He did make one point which made me think. He said that nobody actually chooses to have sexual feelings, and how much he longed to be able to temporarily switch them off, for example long periods when he has been single. I did of course counter that believe itornot women also experience such feelings, but he said he knew that but was just relating his own experience. He also said he reckons just about every example of unacceptable male behaviour is down to insecurity, and that many men cannot deal with women having relative success in the modern world. Well too bad! I do feel we women are on the up in general and men are..not.

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ALassUnparalleled · 26/09/2015 21:52

He was simply saying he genuinely wished he could have choice over when to experience desire. He simply lives through the frustration when for him there was no outlet.

Oh boo hoo. My heart bleeds for him. Plenty of men and women manage perfectly well every day with not getting what they want. I recall once reading an article by a paedophile explaining he had difficulty controlling his thoughts but he could and did control his actions.

jezestbelle · 26/09/2015 21:30

Squidzin there was no such.context. I would not be friends with a man who sought to justify catcalling or cheating.He was simply saying he genuinely wished he could have choice over when to experience desire. He simply lives through the frustration when for him there was no outlet. Without the feelings he would not have had the frustration so that was the equation. And he does not have anything in common with those rather strange men in the article.

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squidzin · 26/09/2015 20:25

I have never my whole life had more sympathy for sex workers reading that article NiNo. They encounter men like this as part of daily profession, and have to prentend to orgasm over it too.

OP, your friend saying no man chooses to have sexual feelings, in what context was this? To justify cat calling or cheating? Or just a male view of women generally?

Believe me I have been overwhelmed by sexual feeling from just the way a certain man speaks, and had problems with limerence obsession... But still manage to control my behaviour in general towards men in general.

Sexual desire is absolutely not an exclusively male thing. To believe this is just another way to opress women.

Sometimes when I hear men like those in the above article I hear the anti-immigration chant "They're taking our jobs!". Insecurity is no excuse really.

NiNoKuni · 26/09/2015 14:27

Some men are so threatened by feminism and women in general that they're swearing off them and society entirely.

Article here.

They'll be sorely missed, I'm sure.

Theydontknowweknowtheyknow · 26/09/2015 14:27

Yops. No not really. But some paths are nicer than others.

Yops · 26/09/2015 13:45

I think your friend is right, OP, about insecurity driving unacceptable behaviour. But I think this drives men's behaviour across the board, not just in interactions with women.

Theydontknow said 'We are not in practice free to choose whichever path we might wish.' That's an interesting thought. Do you think anybody is?

howtorebuild · 26/09/2015 12:14

Yes, some, poor choice of words.

BarbarianMum · 26/09/2015 11:41

Some men, maybe. But not all men are 'status driven' in that way, surely? I would say that lots of men object to feminism when it demands that they do things differently, or can't do or get what they like, or have been conditioned to expect. Which is a pretty universal human trait, depressingly.

howtorebuild · 26/09/2015 10:25

He is right, Men see us as a threat to their status.

Theydontknowweknowtheyknow · 26/09/2015 10:17

I don't see women as being on the up really that much. We still are poorer than men for whatever reason and we still have the whole "thou shalt be be beautiful" hanging over our heads. We are not in practice free to choose whichever path we might wish.

Yes we have more sexual and social freedom but that hasn't taken away from men's freedoms. If anything it's enhanced it.

In fact men are definitely on the up in terms of having meaningful relationships with their children. I would say that was a definite plus for men.

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