Some men cannot cope with feminism's victory

Christ above just came back and read later posts. People like that actually go about in real life. I'm so glad we don't have guns in the UK.

These school shooters in the USA are all male aren't they, presumably thinking along the lines of that angry posting man. "Why are other people happy and successful when I'm not. They dont deserve it. Must put a stop to it."...

mostly men unsatisfied with feminism at all. But we know who run the world;)

When I hear blokes this and frothing over female quotas I keep asking myself "what did you think of the fact that pretty much every job in the past had a male quota of 100%?".

Silly me, obviously that was totally different because that was the natural order of things until us pesky females started to believe we were human too.

Where was that unconscious bias video from Google, the one where the guy did a simple model, and found that 1% bias towards a group in hiring resulted in a skew of I think 40/60% by the time you got to the top.

And there are plenty of studies showing that we attribute greater skill and potential to men than identically skilled women.

Sigh.. They have a little picture in their head of a sad, angry 'feminist' and they just refuse to open their eyes and see that we're normal people.

Yep, you're right. For about five years, firms have been allowed preferentially to hire candidates from under-represented groups provided they are as equally qualified for the role as others. This is 'positive action' and it is designed to provide a just way to ensure that groups who have traditionally experienced disadvantage are fully represented in workplaces. It is often referred to as a kind of 'tie break' situation.

'Positive discrimination', by contrast, would be preferentially to hire someone from an under-represented group even though their qualifications are lower than another candidate. Positive discrimination remains illegal.

I think the simple distinction between the two is probably lost on poyu though.

Buffy! You're using your facts again!

We all know that facts don't work with men of poyu's ilk.

Unless he reads them on Reddit, in which case, they're man facts, and therefore 50% more facty than silly facts.

Well, well, well. poyu it might come as a surprise to you, but working hard, being successful and being a feminist aren't mutually exclusive!

(Although I realise there's actually no point engaging rationally with you as you're clearly here with a grudge an agenda rather than to debate the issues like a grown-up might do)

To be fair, I did start reading that in that tone, but it so quickly descended into frothing idiocy that it was impossible to maintain the suspension of disbelief necessary.

You'd think they'd try harder, they get banned for being transparently stupid, and come back to be, well, transparently stupid again.

Oh dear, I think someone was told that they just don't make the grade because they're fucking stupid and have decided to blame everyone else, but specifically women, for being a failure at life.

So many narc men, so little desire or ability to give even the tiniest shite about their hilarious tantrums.

And to be perfectly honest, when I do see a male manager or a male in a high position, I can't help but wonder if he's only there because of quotas.

And because the history of the world is all about helping men, that means when I do see a male manager (or high position) I know he's the manager^ because he has a dick and the company likes people with dicks.

I guess idiots just don't think properly

Fixed that for you.

You think it's ok to force an employer to employ a woman even if there are male applicants who are better qualified than she is?

Despite your fantasy world, yes, in context.

Because you want life handed to you on a fucking silver platter that's why. You want a job fucking work for it.

Me? Us? Women? Men? Feminists? Feminist allies? Please show your working as to who is not working for their life.

I have 2 sisters in well paying jobs, but that's because they aren't feminists.

Why on earth do you think feminists can't get well paying jobs?

I think that's a good place to leave the discussion. Have a think about that last paragraph above and I bid you good night. Thank you testiclesofreason, feminists far and wide will think about your insight.

I think that's a good place to leave the discussion. Have a think about that last paragraph above and I bid you good night.

"Why? Why is the employers decision context free?"

You disagree? You think it's ok to force an employer to employ a woman even if there are male applicants who are better qualified than she is?

"Why do you think that is happening?"

Because you want life handed to you on a fucking silver platter that's why. You want a job fucking work for it.

I have 2 sisters in well paying jobs, but that's because they aren't feminists. They actually went to uni, studied a useful degree (ie NOT women studies) and fucking worked hard. They didn't spend all day on bumsnet whining about men.

Maybe if you lot put in more effort you might see an improvement in your life and you might find out all the along the only one holding you back was yourself- not men, and not the "patriarchy".

Employers should be free to give a job to whomever they consider best for the job.

Why? Why is the employers decision context free?

But now we have gender-quotas, all-women shortlists and pressure on employers to employ more women.

Why? Why do you think that is happening? Do you think it's because statistically women are not best for the job or because statistically employers do not think women are best for the job?

Being female is actually an advantage if you want to be employed in certain jobs nowadays. You are blinded by the privilege you have.

"Just imagine if the job you dreamed of all your life wasn't actually "yours" at any point, and you only think it was and resent it being given to "some woman" because "entitlement"."

Go back and re-read what I posted. Employers should be free to give a job to whomever they consider best for the job. But now we have gender-quotas, all-women shortlists and pressure on employers to employ more women.

If anything quotas are like handing a job to a woman on a silver platter.

If you really do want equality then campaign to scrap quotas and if you want a job then fucking work for it.

Someone has decided to goad feminists today...

And to be perfectly honest, when I do see a female manager or a female in a high position, I can't help but wonder if she's only there because of quotas.

You don't wonder if she's there on merit? How sad and limiting for you.

And because quotas don't help men,

Please show your working.

" that means when I do see a male manager (or high position) I know he's the manager because he must be good at what he does."

Because no man gets anywhere other than on merit?

"I guess feminists just don't think properly about the things they want."

I can't honestly reply to this without falling foul of mn rules.

On the downside, if a woman is promoted because of quotas, then that means whatever company she is working for may not do so well if the quotas meant the employer was unable to employ the best person (who may have been male).

Please show your working.

Just imagine if you are male in today's world and you work your butt off at uni and employment. Then you apply for the job you've dreamed of all your life only for it to go to some woman who doesn't have half the experience and skills you have. Because quotas.

Yes, just imagine if the massively tilted playing field tipped slightly the other way. Oh calamity! "Some woman" indeed.

Just imagine if the job you dreamed of all your life wasn't actually "yours" at any point, and you only think it was and resent it being given to "some woman" because "entitlement".

And to be perfectly honest, when I do see a female manager or a female in a high position, I can't help but wonder if she's only there because of quotas.

And because quotas don't help men, that means when I do see a male manager (or high position) I know he's the manager because he must be good at what he does.

I guess feminists just don't think properly about the things they want.

On the downside, if a woman is promoted because of quotas, then that means whatever company she is working for may not do so well if the quotas meant the employer was unable to employ the best person (who may have been male).

Just imagine if you are male in today's world and you work your butt off at uni and employment. Then you apply for the job you've dreamed of all your life only for it to go to some woman who doesn't have half the experience and skills you have. Because quotas.

"women having relative success"

I think us feminists should be grateful for all those quotas and all-woman shortlists that force employers to employ or promote more women even when there are better-qualified men available.

Face it, half the women managers out there wouldn't have had a chance of making it as manager if they ignored gender and simply promoted the best person for the job. Good job we got quotas to force women in whether they are best for the job or not.