Raping Asian girls worse than raping white girls because it 'harms their marriage prospects' :o

Petition signed and shared on Facebook, this is horrific.

Isabelle, I think in that case there might be something about the vulnerability of the victim in the impact statement/assessment.

I see your point though.

Oh sorry . I misunderstood your last paragraph.

I was being sarcastic, scallops.

"Who says we don't look after the UK's ethnic minorities?" WTAF??

For my part, I am not sure that it's right to cite anything about marriage prospects but for the judge to hear about impact on schooling etc seems fair to take into account (without minimising a crime that happened to another girl who hadn't found her school life affected)

I see what you're saying here Yonic but I'm imagining a girl from a difficult background who perhaps may have been struggling at school anyway, perhaps she was struggling to have a good relationship with her family (if she has one) anyway, perhaps she has already got involved in a gang or drugs or whatever. Should her rape be viewed as less of a big deal than a girl with lots of prospects that are then damaged because of the affect of the rape? My heart says no.

I don't think the solution is to give a harsher sentence to the rapist of the second girl or you're falling into the trap of the worthy rape victim. The answer is to give an equally harsh sentence to all the child rapists I think.

I was livid when I read about this ruling. Utterly disgraceful.

Have signed the petition. Should you start a new thread to advertise it?

The judge was 10 types of wrong.

I don't generally play Victim Top Trumps, whether or not it's the race/sex/religion version of the game, because it's boring. And counter-productive.

But the idea that non-muslim females, whatever ethnicity they are, are somehow less of a problem to rape is clearly playing Top Trumps with the law - repulsive.

Almost as repulsive as people who say that white privilege means you can't complain that your feelings have been systematically undervalued in law.

(Incidentally, not all muslims are non-white, and most black people aren't muslim. Just saying.)

So if you're a black male teenager, being stabbed is ok - but raping muslim girls is off limits because they might fetch less for Daddy in the passport bidding wars. Who says we don't look after the UK's ethnic minorities?

And I don't think sexual assault necessarily carries a lower sentence than rape does it?

I don't think that generally black victims of rape get much sympathy for rape tbh OhManatee. Someone on here said once about how getting a conviction for rape is all about how "clean" the victim is. If the victim is a WOC then that reduces the clean points before they are even on the stand due to institutional racism. So I find it a bit jarring to suggest that showing sympathy for someone's genuine cultural difficulties is somehow benefitting them and disadvantaging other victims.

However, I also find it jarring that this judgment was expressed in relation to how a man would view this poor girl. So I'm currently taking the splinters out of my arse!

The judge did not say this sentence is a harsher sentence because this girls dad is upset that he can't marry her off anymore.

She gave a few reasons including that the girl was doing really well at school before this happened. If this was a white girl and the perpetrator caused her schooling to fall behind and change her character (as that's what they use to show change of character and impact) there wouldn't be a petition and no one would be upset that he got a longer then usual sentence.

I objected to your description of a 13 year old "performing oral sex" on a 30 something man. She is below the age of consent. It isn't sex.

I know. I was pointing out to you that oral penetration is not sexual assault, it's rape.

Yonic, the offender wasn't convicted of the offence of rape, that was my point. It was a sexual assault, which carries a lower sentence than the offence of rape.

SDTG, do you disagree with the general concept of victim impact playing a part in sentencing? I assume it does so for other non fatal crimes of violence too.

For my part, I am not sure that it's right to cite anything about marriage prospects but for the judge to hear about impact on schooling etc seems fair to take into account (without minimising a crime that happened to another girl who hadn't found her school life affected)

Or do you think the crime and aggravating factors should be the determinant of sentencing?

Genuine question, I think it's a tricky area.

Signed and shared. Thank you for starting this petition.

No I don't. I believe in the way the system takes into account any impact crime has on a victim. You can't take out this girls cultures ramifications on the effect it would of had. I think signing a petition to downgrade this man's sentence is vile.

Do you think that it is OK to change white privilege by telling some women and girls that their rape is not as bad as others? I have a supportive and loving family - so if I get raped, it won't be as bad? How can anyone say that?

This reminds me of an article I read on rape in Sweden where a Muslim leader said that it was better to rape native white Swedish women (as opposed to Muslim immigrant women) because they had a support network, weren't ostracised by their families and had probably had sex before. I wasn't sure if it is was right wing propaganda at the time..

It's buying into the idea that there are different levels of worthiness of women which is the idea that fuels rape in the first place.

I think you explained yourself fine scallops,

Congenital belief about white privilege is a hard thing for anyone to change.

Normally I think MN misses the mark in topics of race but here I think the only thing worth pointing out is that it's not just white girls whose rapes are being invalidated, but any girl outside of the muslim community and that's being ignored quite a bit.

The point is though, when ANY woman is raped, the mans feelings are pandered to. In this one case where a sentence arguably punishes the rapist, it's not because the judge sees the emotional damage these rapes have done, that the girls' lives will be marred now by this trauma. No. The girls' worth TO MEN is what he is considering. Nothing to do with their support system (and anyway, I lost almost all my work colleague friends when I reported a sexual assault) but that now they're less valuable to men and he should be punished harsher for that. It's repulsive.

No I don't think that's right at all op.

This girl has been adversely effected due to some part by her community.

Another girl with a perfectly supportive family and community may suffer mental health problems due to her sexual abuse and that should be fully took into account with sentencing even if another girl didn't have these effects.