Raping Asian girls worse than raping white girls because it 'harms their marriage prospects' :o

This case was about one particular culture's attitude. You can look at the wider implications if you like but these judges made their decisions applying their interpretation of a particular culture's attitudes.

It's not one particular cultures attitude. Most cultures value women on their worth to men

No Basil It's about that and validating one particular culture's attitudes.

It is setting up the level of trauma women and girls are allowed to have about their rape and that level of trauma being decided by men and being decided on the basis of what a woman is worth to them, not to herself.

Very well put.

Whoever got on their high horse about this being about "wotaboutthewhitewomen" has spectacularly missed the point tbh.

This isn't about that. It's about the fact that the judge is acknowledging and validating the concept that certain girls/ women are more valuable (to men) than others because of their sexual status and that therefore, those more valuable girls / women suffer more from their rape.

It is exactly the same concept as saying "if you're married to him, then it's not so bad to be raped as it is by a stranger." It is setting up the level of trauma women and girls are allowed to have about their rape and that level of trauma being decided by men and being decided on the basis of what a woman is worth to them, not to herself.

Is that really not obvious?

its disgusting and gives a message that raping certain women its okay.

Article by Rahila Gupta here

This case has echoes of the asian grooming rings where social services and the police were labeling these girls as "child prostitutes" and the berating of their parents that went on. I just cannot fathom how these agencies came to this conclusion.

Bullet, whilst I agree the sentence is too low, the conviction was for sexual assault rather than rape.

What stood out for me was that he raped 2 children under age 14. The ethnicity of the girls was considered to make his crime worse; yet he got 7 years in jail!!

Good points Dervel that's what I meant when I said it is the rapist who is degraded.It is the rapist who has brought shame on himself.

Good points Dervel.

I signed the petition. Thanks for the link.

There are two things going on here. First we have a serial sex offender, who can and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Second we have a "cultural" difference where all his victims suffer additionally from their communities attitudes. These backward cultural idioms should not be getting validation from secular courts.

Our opprobrium can be directed at the rapist primarily, but also to an extent anyone who then goes on to exacerbate the suffering of anyone victimised. Our compassion and empathy (as a wider society) should be unilaterally applied to any victims.

If we out of a sense of political correctness, fail to censure communities for acting so abominably to victims we are all making it worse.

I read Libby's article, and thought it was a good piece, on this subject.

Libby purves has written about the ruling in today's times. She's in broad agreement with you op.

link to petition again

On the nail Seneca

It is the perpetrator of a rape who is degraded , not the victim. It's a pity neither the judge nor the appeal judge seems to tackled it from that point of view.

If someone was raped and the offender used a weapon to threaten them this is an aggravating factor

This is a very different kind of aggravating factor than using relative cultural context.

It is so problematical even from a linguistic standpoint. You say it is "extremely degrading." As opposed to what? "Moderately degrading?" "Mildly degrading?"

There was an attempt at one on Reddit but it went nowhere. The only posts were, I understand, pointing out how vile the idea was.

There may be such sites in the cesspit of the Internet where illegal porn exists. I don't know.

Pro-rape websites exist?!

Yonic Do you mean saying he thought it was 'fine' to rape white girls is an unfair misinterpretation? I'll agree that he may have known that was wrong too (but some men really don't think that... have you seen those awful websites?) but the rest stands.

Suppose it was a white British man who'd raped a nun (and the white girl). A sweet, lovely nun who'd devoted her life to good works... In a way, there is an initial reaction of extra revulsion because of the life of chastity and so on. But isn't that just a prejudice; the other side of the coin from saying the other victim isn't as 'pure' and valuable, somehow?

Now, the websites I mentioned... pro-rape and stuff. I think there was a discussion on here a while back that set me googling and it was horrifying. Anyway, it was all about how it was ok to rape certain women and girls because they are just worthless sluts. I remember one of them was giving examples of who they wouldn't rape - and one was "the middle aged virgin going to church" (or v similar wording.)

IMO saying something akin to "he knew rape was extra bad in this person's culture" is following the same principle.

the judge was neither Asian nor Muslim, she was white

implying