Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

What is going on with the Feminist Library in London?

86 replies

ArcheryAnnie · 17/09/2015 10:41

This isn't a rhetorical question. I am seeing on twitter that loads of sensible gender-crit women and transwomen have been banned and blocked from the FB message boards, including pre-emptive bans, and that posts on such things as, er, the menopause have been deleted as transphobic.

The Feminist Library was set up by second-wavers decades ago, and I thought it was still run by second-wavers. What's going on?

(I'm not on FB so don't know if I am pre-emptively banned or not.)

OP posts:
New posts on this thread. Refresh page
cadnowyllt · 24/09/2015 11:01
Smile
BuffytheFeminist · 24/09/2015 10:47

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

BuffytheFeminist · 24/09/2015 10:46

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

cadnowyllt · 24/09/2015 10:44

Better write it down - you might forget.

BuffytheFeminist · 24/09/2015 10:39

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

cadnowyllt · 24/09/2015 10:06

Occassionally

PlaysWellWithOthers · 23/09/2015 20:46

If it looks like a duck.....

BuffytheFeminist · 23/09/2015 19:13

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

cadnowyllt · 23/09/2015 16:42

Some of these young libfems LOVE being thought police, don't they?

No change there then, eh ?

ALassUnparalleled · 20/09/2015 23:04

Chunky the point of the legislation was to ensure anyone who needed to feed a baby in a public place could do so. That is why it uses person in sections 1 to 3 . "Feeding" is specifically defined as including breast and bottle feeding.

Section 4 deals with promotion and support for mothers to breastfeed. If men can bf that section will have to be re-written

ChunkyPickle · 20/09/2015 22:32

ALass - that's interesting - seems to be perhaps so you can include bottle feeding.

I'm not sure how I feel about that. Kids need to be fed, but I feel that point of the legislation was that if a baby is breastfed, then the mother needs to be able to do that. Bottle feeding means that anyone can do it, so the kid doesn't need to be near the mother.

I suppose, as long as this doesn't mean that BFing mothers lose any right to BF where they need to, then this is fine. I may have missed something though, and I wouldn't want a bottle fed baby chucked out of somewhere because it's hungry (I'm not sure that that has historically been a problem that requires protection)

ChunkyPickle · 20/09/2015 22:27

Gender, as it is now, is clearly bunk. All that matters is biology, for the rest of it, do what you will.

But that's not going to float with some people.

ALassUnparalleled · 20/09/2015 22:21

Re breastfeeding the Scottish government may have to re-write section 4.

www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2005/1/contents

NiNoKuni · 20/09/2015 22:20

The point made (by Becca Reilly-Cooper) on Twitter is that gender has now come to mean personality, or aspect thereof. So...what? What is the purpose of it all? There are 7 billion or so genders now, right? It's lost all meaning and meaningful applications.

But you really should read some of these gender designations. They're hilarious interesting!

ALassUnparalleled · 20/09/2015 22:16

Xenogender (coined by Baaphomett in 2014,[1] from xeno alien + "gender") is a nonbinary gender identity "that cannot be contained by human understandings of gender; more concerned with crafting other methods of gender categorization and hierarchy such as those relating to animals, plants

I gave up after that. I grew up on a farm. Farm animals are divided into male and female animals. It's pretty important to be able to tell which bovine animals produce milk and which produce semen.

I have no idea what other "methods of gender categorization and hierarchy" can possibly exist in relation to animals.

NiNoKuni · 20/09/2015 22:04

Just seen this on Twitter: xenogender

What possible use is any of this??

BigChocFrenzy · 19/09/2015 21:12

Ah, seen your link; that must be the case I was EMed
I had hoped my friend was wrong

BigChocFrenzy · 19/09/2015 21:10

I read about a case in the USA where a woman sued because she was stopped from bfing somewhere. The judge ruled it was not discriminatory because they would have stopped a bfing man too.

I suppose if there are no women then there is no need for women's rights or protections under the law.
So, a great step for mankind.

BigChocFrenzy · 19/09/2015 21:05

Um, I've posted on exercise and nutrition threads here that I'm post-meno. I described my symptoms and what helped me.
They are all imaginary of course, if I have been written out of the world and no longer exist as a woman.
Was I transphobic to post about my menopause unmentionable word in an attempt to help others going through this imaginary experience ?
< totally baffled >

The Feminist Library is such an important part of our history.
I feel all our safe spaces have Space Invaders and feminism is being rewritten to be "menism."
I hope there are more capable women here who can suggest how to stop this revisionism.

WhirlpoolGalaxyM51 · 19/09/2015 11:54

I wrote a long post earlier but my phone ate it!

Thing is a lot of laws and stuff take it for granted that there were such things and men and women, and women got pregnant and so forth.

The consequence of saying that anything that applies to women also applies to men, removes the possibility of addressing any form of sex based discrimination.

The idea that a woman should have to prove something that has been accepted in mammals since the dawn of time and is one of the core ways of identifying a mammal - that the females lactate to feed their young - is just utterly bizarre. Women have to prove that lactation is linked to pregnancy, birth, and babies? It's all bonkers. But the ramifications (as we see in that example) are real.

scallopsrgreat · 19/09/2015 10:28

Jeez Whirlpool that poor woman. Yep, we'll just keep throwing women under the bus.

IsabelleEberhardt · 19/09/2015 10:13

Is this the case wombofonesown mentioned? Thanks for linking. That women's treatment by her employers nd the court was shocking. Sad

ChunkyPickle · 19/09/2015 09:45

“Ames has not presented sufficient evidence that lactation is a medical condition related to pregnancy,” the lower court wrote.

Jesus Christ - how on earth could anyone make that argument or judgement with a straight face!

WhirlpoolGalaxyM51 · 19/09/2015 09:33

I was just reading about the breast feeding case it's awful rhrealitycheck.org/article/2015/02/11/supreme-court-didnt-reject-breastfeeding-rights-lawsuit-men-can-lactate/

WhirlpoolGalaxyM51 · 19/09/2015 08:49

Blood = blog
Make = male
Probably more too

Swipe left for the next trending thread