Gender Identity Specialists warn of “ever increasing tide” of Transwoman Sex Offenders

Personally, such people should be given HRT and offered immediate surgery with laser penile hair removal. If they don't want that, then no transition.

This assumes that you need a penis to seriously sexually assault women and children, which is not the case - both in law and practice."

Excuse my naivete but was has hair removal from the penis git to do with trans gender?

Prison populations are more vulnerable to human rights abuses, particularly around health care, than any other group.

It is pretty awful to say that they just can't be trusted or that they should be pressured into treatment to prove themselves. The problem is with a lack of a robust definition and diagnosis of transsexuals, caused byideological pressure from the transgender movement, making it hard to identify and aid those who are genuinely transsexual.

I mean not a trans man, a woman who fancied being in with the blokes (hence unstable as I can't imagine it would be much fun).

if an unstable woman said she was a man, because actually she wanted to go into a prison with men, would that be allowed. Should it be allowed?

I think that most people would understand and feel an awful lot of sympathy and compassion for someone who felt so at odds that they had full surgery and so forth.

The thing with that of course as well is that it negates the risk of causing pregnancy if such an inmate was put in with the women. (Other considerations aside there could still be risks and I'm sure people would have views either way) but still the pregnancy risk would be gone, and the presence of a penis in a place where lots of women will have experienced sexual violence will be gone.

This is not the situation though. The situation is, the lobbying, all of that, is that anyone is whatever they say they are. And in fact, they can change from day to day. And no surgery or hormones are required.

I'm sure you're aware that in Ireland, they have made it so that:

"Transgender people in Ireland have won legal recognition of their status after a law was passed allowing them to change their legal gender with no medical or state intervention."

Thus, they have actioned this already, and I have no idea how they plan to handle it when the new right to self-identify comes into conflict with what women want or need.

And women's pubic hair is typically much coarser than men's. Anyway, we digress.

Women have it done on their vulvas, you know. As an alternative to having their pubes ripped out by the roots with hot wax once a month.

Laser hair removal is not incredibly painful - I've had it, as have thousands of women.

OK well it's interesting that you feel that way, but like I say, your stance is out of step with the majority of trans activism and the laws in some countries.

So you only accept trans people if they have had full surgery.

That is way out of step with what is being lobbied for, and what is happening in many countries, and what is the law in some.

You talked about drugs and hair removal only.

Now you want to cut people's penises off?

Bloody hell.

You know that there are many reasons that a trans person might not want to proceed with surgery of that type, surely.

Is it because these are people who are in prison that we are talking about, that you are taking such a horrendously harsh line? I'm really shocked.

Anyway like a PP says, for me, prison should not be rife with sexual violence anyway. Why is it taken as a given that men's prisons are full of rape? This should be addressed IMO. No man should be put in a position where he is at risk of sexual violence, that's just awful. The argument is often that trans women are at high risk of sexual violence in prison so they need to be put in female prisons. What about gay men, small men, naive men, men who can't fight, men who are lovely to look at, I mean whatever it is some groups of men must be more at risk of rape in prison than others. Shouldn't they all be protected? I find the whole thing horrifying really.

OK yes the document itself refers to an ever increasing tide of (male) inmates being referred to the gender ID people.

I really don't think the paper has been wildly mis-interpreted in that title. if someone says they are trans then they are trans. Simple as. You don't get to say "oh right these nice safe people are genuine and all the ones who turn out not to be nice and safe must have been faking it" as clearly some of the ones who are faking it will be nice and safe and some of the ones who aren't, won't.

You seem to see this in very simple terms good / bad etc people are complex.

ego you want to force medical procedures on people? That is unacceptable, seriously, you can't do that. Many trans people are in very vulnerable situations and to make certain things conditional on submitting to drugs and stuff feels terribly wrong to me.

And as an aside, I can't imagine that someone who wants to gain entry to a female prison by saying they are female are going to be put off by having their pubes removed can you expand on that?

I also think it's relevant, the question, "who are you to say I am trans or not?".

The context of this is that you can't see inside someone's brain, you can't decide for them, and that if someone says they are a woman then they are a woman.

So from that perspective, if someone says they are a woman in a prison context, then it is no-one's place to judge whether they are genuine or not. If you say you are female then you are female, end of story. What your background is, what you have in your pants, where your sexual interests lie, all of that is irrelevant.

What about if there is a genuine transwoman who is also a sexual predator?

I would think that the rate of sexual assault and rape in prison of any type is higher than in the general population, and it's fairly high in the general population. I don't know that for sure, though. I'd be more concerned that prisons work on ways to reduce sexual offending and exploitation, and that society thinks about that as well. We could well end up concluding that far fewer people should be in prison at all, and perhaps that prisons should look very different.

Off to google more about rates of sexual offending in prison by country.