Gender Identity Specialists warn of “ever increasing tide” of Transwoman Sex Offenders

Thanks jenny.

Italian, the first panel has Dr Bernadette Wren speaking in it. You could read that transcript. She talks about the variety of issues trans people have, about how treatment often means therapy not surgery, and about how female born people are presenting with dysphoria in a society that is unaccepting of female bodies.

The humanity is that all of the peoplewho are strident about this stuff on all sides of the debate are struggling in a gender system. I think if I was 20 now and had grown up in porn culture, I'd be non binary and presenting with dysphoria.

I think trans people should also be worried about the importance of this news items.

Those who are in prison may end up sharing a cell with someone who has 'faked' being trans for their own benefit and gains at the expense of another. It also brings up questions that many in the community (by that I mean the world) both trans and non-trans may want to know about.

I wanted to check the credentials because sometimes it is easy with the Internet not to know where things are from.

I also feel that negative news items about trans 'issues' should not be buried. I am not pro or anti trans, I am trying to work out a fair way for us all to coexist, and this is only in my own head!

I find it exhausting and often want to not engage, but that is rather cowardly. After reading all this last night I could not sleep for hours.

I feel those of us who just want to coexist are at the mercy of the lunatics on both ends of the spectrum, those who want to crush trans people and those who want to crush anyone who is not like them - and those who just want to keep women down (which sometimes includes women!)

How does anyone else organise all this in their mind so they do not end up seeing any other 'group' as the enemy? This is a genuine question because I don't want to lose my humanity in the extreme cases.

Also worth looking at TRA0198.

The Prison Reform Trust supports prisoners' domestic violence and sexual assault support groups being able to exclude trans women.

Ah thank you. I am taking a look, thanks.

here

TRA0113 and TRA0149.

Very helpful. I do find the internet baffling at times and it is really helpful when people can point in the right direction.

Both reports are available on the evidence list on the Government's transgender enquiry website. I'm not sure how they can be more verified than that.

I know Gender Trender is not very sympathetic to trans people so is it possible to verify any other this on other sites aside from Gender Trender, please?

Please ignore my last post - wrong thread

Sorry that should have read ftm son!

Ok so Iv only read the first few posts so excuse me if this has been mentioned.

If a male is serving a sentence for something that would classify them as a sex offender (against a female esp), why should they be allowed to transition to a female.

To me that is like letting a child abuser adopt a child.

Sorry if that is a crude/glib response but given the fact they are proven to be a danger to females why should they have the right to "disguise" themselves as female.

I should state I am very supportive of people rights to change gender as the mother of a mtf son, so that's a not the issue for me I think the issue is that certain men are obviously (probably) lying to gain access to more victims, in the same way child sex offenders insert themselves in to vulnerable families for the same purpose and why should they be allowed to!

"Some people falsely believe that taking oestrogen and blocking androgen in males will reduce risk of offending, however this is not necessarily the case."

Interesting.

Or as a means of separating their sex offending self (male) from their future self (female).

Oh, this makes sense - it seems to be very much like what is happening with the Sarah Nyberg case. "I was that person then, but I'm better now." Cue a torrent of validation and support for their "bravery".

but they are most likely not transwomen but men claiming to be trans. That is an important distinction

I'm another one here to say that this is currently no distinction at all. We are told again and again that anyone who says they are a woman is a woman, and that we mustn't be gatekeepers.

If any of us referred in public, Ego, to "men claiming to be trans", we'd be ripped apart, have people call our employers, shunned on social media, etc, for our terrible, terrible transphobia.

That is pricey, and the library here doesn't have it. I'll put it on the What To Spend My Christmas Amazon Vouchers On List.

You're welcome. It is an interesting book particularly because it is one of the first published analyses of transgenderism (and a book that is hugely criticised mostly by people who haven't read it). It is slightly dated now however, as it was written pre internet. One I haven't got round to reading yet but which is contemporary is "Gender Hurts" by Sheila Jeffreys - it is quite expensive so maybe worth trying to get from a library.

Thanks, Beachcomber - another one for my Christmas list.

Oops, gender benders

AFAIK, the Equality Act requires us to treat anyone as trans, who says they are trans. No medical treatment or diagnosis necessary.

Since "genuine" trans are about 0.5% of the population, they may easily be outnumbered by "fake" ones, gender trenders or much worse:
e.f. abusive men who pursue a female partner into changing rooms, or who would rather serve time in a women's jail than in a men's one.

These all just have to say "I identify as female". Their crimes & misbehaviour may soon seriously affect how most people regard trans.

Hey Fingles, I was talking about her book "The Transsexual Empire". I have a print copy but I'm pretty sure if you Google it as PDF it is online.

Beachcomber mentioned an analysis by Janice Raymond upthread, has anyone got a link to that? My google-fu is failing me today.

'Commitment to some form of treatment programme (as ego mentioned earlier) is the obvious suggestion, isn't it? Would that be practicable?'

Isn't a large part of the point raised in that document is that it isn't up to the patient to decide whether or not they should get to participate in a reassignment programme? As they point out:

"There are no other aspects of the National Health Service in
which patients need only to have their lack of insanity confirmed before being in a position to decide exactly what professionals will be obliged to prescribe to them and what surgical procedures they will be obliged to perform upon them."

And that doctors should not be put under political pressure to treat people where they think the treatment would cause harm, one of the reasons being given that:

"In practical application, the worrying prisoner described in the paragraph above would be in a position to oblige medical practitioners to advance a plan the basis of which is the facilitation of subsequent sexual assault."

I think there are three different groups defining trans - transactivists, HCPs, and the law.

As far as transactivists are concerned, anyone who says they are a woman is a woman and always has been. To disagree would be considered transphobic.

So these sex offenders are trans women, and certainly protected in law as transgender.