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The Labour Party leadership election

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Amethyst24 · 12/09/2015 12:09

Make leader, male deputy, male candidate for London Mayor. I fucking despair, I really do. I've been going on about this on social media and I can't seem to make myself shut up about it, it makes me so incredibly angry.

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Amethyst24 · 12/09/2015 20:10

What I find most depressing is that there aren't enough people in the party who take the view that, you know what, it's 2015, it's hugely fucking important to make a statement about women's place in society and in government. Of course it's a democratic process, and that makes it even more depressing.

Women only train carriages, for God's sake. And Corbyn's first wife was interviewed in the Torygraph this morning saying, "Oh yes, he helped with the housework sometimes, when he wasn't too busy." That sounds familiar, doesn't it?

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LurcioAgain · 12/09/2015 19:48

I'm with Lass on this one. Look at what the Tories are doing/have done. Changes in the benefits system which have led to documented casesof people with disabilities dying, huge numbers of women in particular pitched into poverty, the NHS on the brink of collapse while the private health care companies circle like vultures. If we don't get rid of the Tories in 2019 we are stuffed as a country. Yes the Labour leadership contest is a democratic vote, but not among the people who will actually decide the next election. A fit of far left posturing has condemned us to five more bloody years of the Tories and I can hear Neil Kinnock in my head: you'd betternnot be poor, you'd better not be sick.

I also agree with Buffy - there's a pretty long track record of extreme left wingers turning out to have feet of clay on women's rights.

BIWI · 12/09/2015 19:05

Oh, and I was blocked on Twitter for disagreeing with someone on these grounds - if it was one of you - then shame on you. And how childish.

BIWI · 12/09/2015 19:05

This makes me fucking angry.

I voted for those I think are the best candidates. Sometimes they were men, sometimes they were women (actually I think I voted mainly women, overall)

But the implication that somehow it's the fault of the Labour party is ridiculous and actually pretty stupid.

There were plenty of female candidates. It just happened that people didn't vote for them. That's what happens in a democracy.

scallopsrgreat · 12/09/2015 19:01

I think Corbyn's sex is hugely significant. I suspect that if a woman had been standing with his policies they wouldn't have been elected.

That said I'm cautiously optimistic. Would have been better if Creasey had been deputy because she's blooming marvellous.

ilovesooty · 12/09/2015 17:29

The Labour party has been Tory lite since Blair and I'm glad that's been rejected. Perhaps people who've not voted or who voted Green will vote labour now. I'm not sure winning back votes from the people in the country who voted conservative is the main issue. Conservative voters were a minority anyway.

Snapespeare · 12/09/2015 17:19

It isn't the 1970s though. There's nothing to say that policies that made the party unelectable in the 70s would make the party unelectable now. Society evolves. It doesn't stand still.

ALassUnparalleled · 12/09/2015 17:11

You seem to be forgetting preaching to the converted will get no results. Cooper was the candidate most preferred by former Labour voters. Do you think Corbyn is going to win back Conservative voters?

ALassUnparalleled · 12/09/2015 17:08

Well as I said have been voting Labour since 1979 all through the previous unelectable era. I suppose it depends on whether you want an extreme left ideologue who has no chance of implementing his policies but makes you feel good about yourself or a left of centre party which can actually achieve something.

Labour was in the wilderness for decades - Corbyn's policies are virtually a rewrite of the 1983 manifesto.

ilovesooty · 12/09/2015 17:07

I'm delighted Jeremy Corbyn has won. The fact that he's male is irrelevant.

PlaysWellWithOthers · 12/09/2015 17:02

I had hoped that Stella Creasey would make deputy, and she put in a really good showing in the end.

I am glad that Corbyn won. In a time of pointless and seemingly endless austerity, we need a real alternative.

Anyone who uses Corbyn's landslide victory as an excuse to damage the Labour party probably needs to leave it. If you can't handle democratic processes not going your way, then Labour might not be the party for you.

HamaTime · 12/09/2015 16:54

I voted for Stella and I put Yvette as my 2nd choice for leader but I think she is quite weak (but better than the other 2). She was poor in the Sky News debate and seemed to struggle with basic facts. I would have prefered her to Andy though. To mis-quote John McDonnell, I would rather swim through vomit that vote for Liz. I disagree with pretty much everything she stands for.

Tiredemma · 12/09/2015 16:54

I'm hoping for 12 months' disarray, squabbling, dismal performances at the dispatch boxes and a night of the long knives after which Corbyn stands down

approx 259k people labour voters think otherwise.

The minute amount who voted for LK indicate just how far out of touch with Labour she really is

YellowJerseyPan · 12/09/2015 16:46

That's odd ALass. Someone is overwhelmingly elected as party leader in a democratic process, and you hope to have the party damaged by squabbles and embarrassment. Are you actually a Labour supporter? Wishing the democracy of the party is usurped by the MPs is fairly ant-democratic isn't it?

ALassUnparalleled · 12/09/2015 15:14

My preference was LK but I didn't think she had any chance so voted for Yvette who looked (and still looks) the obvious leader.

I'm hoping for 12 months' disarray, squabbling, dismal performances at the dispatch boxes and a night of the long knives after which Corbyn stands down.

Amethyst24 · 12/09/2015 14:38

Me too, Scatter.

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scatterthenuns · 12/09/2015 14:25

I voted Liz, Stella and Tessa.

Most gutted about Tessa.

YellowJerseyPan · 12/09/2015 14:24

Kendal and Cooper can call themselves anything they want, but certainly LK's voting record is utterly appalling and would do massive damage to women and children in this country.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 12/09/2015 14:07

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Amethyst24 · 12/09/2015 14:01

ComeLuckyApril, Liz Kendall and Yvette Cooper are both feminists and had very pro-woman policies - what Kendall had to say about early-years education and the treatment of care workers, for instance.

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Amethyst24 · 12/09/2015 13:59

He'll get Diane Abbott though

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ALassUnparalleled · 12/09/2015 13:57

He's going to struggle to get anyone competent to serve in his shadow cabinet, of either sex.

Tristram Hunt and Chuka Umunna won't. It's going to be the equivalent of the people who were in the SWP student group when I was at university in the late 70s /early 80s heaven help us.

ALassUnparalleled · 12/09/2015 13:37

We had a real left wing party in the late 70s and throughout the 80s - it was unelectable and ineffective in opposition.

Amethyst24 · 12/09/2015 13:37

He's going to struggle to get anyone competent to serve in his shadow cabinet, of either sex.

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ALassUnparalleled · 12/09/2015 13:35

Singing la, la, la can't hear you. Were you around in the debacle of the Foot and Kinnock years?

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