Rock music's not for girls

"Do you mean the fact it was mainly cock rock bands and not female artists being played in the clubs was misogynist? Or the music itself?"

The cringy, awful lyrics by those bands, all about cherry pie, getting rocked, being sticky and sweet, urgh. Not the music (which I didn't like either) but the lyrics. And the behaviour of the bands - cameras zooming in for "tits out" and Guns 'n Roses concerts, etc.

Two of my favourite bands from then were L7 and Babes in Toyland, but they weren't that popular.

MrN, for the avoidance of doubt I don't believe in bird/bloke music . I have an appreciation of the 80s power ballads as well as classic rock, there is a place in my heart for all.

Do you mean the fact it was mainly cock rock bands and not female artists being played in the clubs was misogynist? Or the music itself?

"It's a bit stupid, but Heart and Magic with chart hits and 80s power ballads = for the birds, XFM with cock rock = for the blokes."

I used to go to rock/metal clubs in the early 90s and the music which packed the dancefloor with women was the cock rock - the Motley Crue, Def Leppard, Poison, Kiss, GnR, etc. which I always thought was horribly misogynist but apart from that I didn't like the music anyway.
But it appeared to be most popular with women.

I agree with almost everything you've said togoboldly I don't like Moyles but feel I have to admit he is successful

Moyles doesn't really do music, he just talks.

Marketing person here. What gets me is that none of these decisions will be made on a commercial basis. Companies are always producing products and services 'for blokes' and then getting surprised when women consume them. Look at all the nappy & aptimil ads on Dave. The consumer is a default man and only when something is completely 'feminine' is it marketed to women. Women make up 50% of gamers and the majority of crime / horror consumers - but you would never know that to look at the marketing.

What should we do with PJ Harvey?

Ugh I had a rant about this in the comments under the article on xfm's own page. There was about a 99% consensus that they were off their rockers and everyone would switch off. It's not like men are some poor overlooked niche market!

Meh a quick google doesn't throw it up and it's bedtime (bed at 10.20 = rock n roll hardcore honest)

Well Radio 1 pushed out all the old listeners because the BBC Trust said they weren't providing anything for the youth. So now R1 is all about YouTube and celebrities etc. There are still decent specialist programmes. Listeners left in their droves over the last few years, but I think it's picking up again now. I imagine young people don't "listen to the radio" these days, but may have the radio running on an app in the background while they are doing something else. I don't think it's like the glory days when there was nothing to do but listen to the wireless.

There was a fuss about ageism when Radio 1 said they don't want listeners over 30 but they said "meh, we have to work to our remit, old fogies have R2". Commercial radio would care even less, they'd say

"the market forces are calling for a station aimed at men, and men like rock music"

"but what about women who like rock music? Or men who don't? "

"Don't care, market forces".

I can't be bothered Jean.

They're a commercial station what can you do. If they want to stick 2 fingers up to their entire female audience that's up to them.

Complaining will only be met with "well it's not actually illegal for you to listen you know, you don't have to stop".

Put on the other thread about how it reminds me of an article I read about marketing computer games and how women and girls were deliberately excluded as an active part of their campaigns. I'll see if I can find it.

I've tried Planet Rock but it's a bit.... pedestrian. Too much Eagles, Lynyrd Skynyrd and whatnot. Radio 1 does occasionally feature some decent stuff (Architects, Lower Than Atlantis etc) but it's sporadic.

Why is no one kicking up a fuss about this bollocks?

lol @ all of us not knowing how to operate modern life

We need to ask some youths.

What do young sorts of people listen to these days? I guess they consume it all via apps / downloads and stuff?

(Not listened to anything new for 10 years emoticon)

So is radio an ageing population anyway?

It's a shame because radio is in danger of dying on it's arse, and is crying out for some creativity, so it's a chance to do something really modern and inventive to try to carve your own niche, but no broadcasters can actually be bothered with that, it seems. They go for the lazy, unimaginative "girly music" or "blokey music".

I used to listen to XFM but when they got tangled up with Capital, they became rather commerical.

I can't find a radio station I like at the moment. I like loud rock (or whatever you'd shoebox Nirvana, Royal Blood, QOTSA, EODM, TCV and any other Josh Homme-related musical offerings into) mostly.

"The station's roots are in pirate radio. In 1992, Xfm launched RSLs in the Camden area of north London. In 1996, Xfm was awarded the final London wide FM licence, beating Capital Gold."

Not quite a cool as getting it when pirate but not bad on the cred front!

I used to love pirate radio stations. There were squillions of them and most were dance with people just talking over the top the whole time sending "shouts out" to all their mates and namechecking people and saying see you later down X (crap local night spot) and all the rest of it

Happy days...

Yes I think they had a few short term pop up radio stations before it launched properly.

Ah 1992 in my neck of the woods!

So they've lost someone who's been tuning in for 23 years.

up to them isn't it.

I believe it was a pirate station first so maybe you were listening to the clandestine incarnation before it became legit!

ToGo I'm sure it was before then, I was at 6th form, I'm positive!

Going to google I'm in London maybe that makes a difference?

Ah man. Kerrang was great for the first few years - it was my soundtrack to the summer of 2004. 'Golden Touch' by Razorlight and 'Talk Talk Talk' by the Ordinary Boys take me right back there. I got texts read out on the Ugly Phil Breakfast Show a couple of times.

Next time I buy a car I'm definitely getting DAB. 6Music is the only good radio station left.