Caitlyn Jenner Halloween costume

I am not particularly supportive of CJ, for support's sake.

I wish she would fuck right off, tbh. And Kellie Maloney, who I would have more respect for if she had chosen a female name more apt for a 62yo woman instead of a bloke's wet dream of what a nubile 22yo would be called.

Am beyond bored of the lot of it. Stupid costumes like this just bring more attention to the whole spectacle, IMO.

I think it would depend entirely on how it was done. In a mood of celebration and support for transgender people and the instabilities of crossdressing - fantastic. In a mood of spite and mockery, not so much. I often feel this about Halloween costumes.

Some gay friends have a 'whores and vicars' party and the 'whores' costumes are a fantastic celebration of a kind of bawdy femininity (across classes too). There is nothing misogynistic about it at all. I can imagine one of them doing Caitlyn Jenner in a very supportive way. However, in other hands, the very idea could be outrageously stereotypical and discriminatory.

I'm genuinely mystified by the adoration and untouchability surrounding CJ.

Me, too. Because I'm a bit of an eejit, I sometimes read a celebrity gossip site. It's particularly cruel towards Kim Kardashian, even to the point of mocking how uncomfortable she appears to find pregnancy. This is justified on the basis that she's not real, has had plastic surgery and invites the camera into her life. They love her new stepmother though. Seemingly she looks great and us an inspiration.

So far I haven't bothered to query the difference

bindi well that's a new auto correct

What I was trying to say is but I do not

I think many wearing it will think it's funny and taking the piss others that want to pay some sort of homage to CJ

CJ to some is a hero/heroine and everything she now does is meet with absolute adoration, Bruce Jenner was at one time a huge sporting hero and seems to need this adoration/worshiping

Either way it's gaining CJ more attention

I do not like the costume but bindi not think it will be worn only by those who are taking the piss

I don't like men dressing up as women or cultural appropriation costumes either. But I think honestly most people don't realise why that is offensive. They are aware that this CJ costume is, so there's the nasty intent.
Nobody who wears this will be making social commentary cote. It'll be laddy blokes who think it's funny that. You must realise that?

I wouldn't wear it or encourage anyone to wear it BUT:

I don't think it's worse than dressing up as Madonna or Kim K.
I don't think it's worse than dressing up as a geisha, Native American Chief etc
I don't think it's worse than any other Halloween costume that is of a recognisable person or group that you don't belong to (e.g. I don't find anyone who isn't trans dressing up as a transwoman to be worse than a man dressing up as a woman, or a white person dressing up as an asian).

I think you are attributing too much thought to people's motives, Cote

Any costume that takes the piss out of someone is horrible, the Caitlyn one and the Kim outfit are awful.

Don't even get me started on halloween outfits though, they are utterly depressing and are used as an opportunity to sexulise girls and women.

Cote, there is "outrage" about objectifying the female body in certain circles, but not in mainstream media-obsessed ones I am sorry to say.

Two wrongs don't make a right though. I don't think it it is at all hypocritical to have difficulty with trans issues, but still not agree with hurting people.

I agree Chunky. There's a lot I find jarring about the whole Caitlyn Jenner media circus but taking the piss just seems plain mean.

It's mean spirited - I'm having trouble articulating why I have that instant feeling, but it's different from the Madonna one, which isn't mocking (well, not mocking anything but what some people wore in the 80s) - it's historic, it's not hitting anyones raw nerves.

Just as I'd consider a Britney Spears costume with a bald wig to be off, because it's highlighting a particularly vulnerable point in her life, but a Hit me baby one more time Britney Spears costume wouldn't (OK, would be bad for many other reasons, but wouldn't be mean)

I think, that this is something you know is off when you see it, and falls under the "don't be a dick" rule for living your life - no matter how I feel about trans or about Caitlyn Jenner.

Well one difference with the Madonna costume is it is modelled by someone as glamorous as Madonna. It's a copy of/aspiring to look like Madonna - not making fun of Madonna.

These costumes are generally awful- the worst were the Amy Winehouse ones.

Whether she had surgeries and photoshopping is irrelevant she was still coming out.
I think it's mocking coming out and being transsexual thats the problem. Just mocking a celeb isn't nice but not the same.
You won't see women wearing this. It will be men.

I think most celebrity costumes are horrible, but this is no more nor less horrible than any of the others.

It's a US thing, isn't it, that halloween costumes can be dressing as anyone and anything, not just something "scary"?

So you can't say that the comments are related to the general wearing of a corset in itself being transphobic, as they aren't.

Anyway, the costume is awful, as are many commercial American hallowe'en costumes (that same site sells redneck costumes with fake guns, nice) and I have better things to do than argue over a costume that we almost certainly both find tasteless.

I wouldn't consider a person wearing this costume to be brave, I would consider him/her to be a bit of a prat.

Cote, it's not the corset, it's the Call me Caitlyn sash that's causing the comments, surely that's clear?