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The Magnificent Deborah Orr in the Guardian (re. hacking)

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JeanneDeMontbaston · 21/08/2015 21:26

I imagine there might be other threads, but I thought we'd have one here.

She's written this in response to the hacking and MRA tactics, and you need to read it because it is ace.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/21/mumsnet-hackers-seem-too-pathetic-to-be-true

Only one issue - I smell a rat when she claims she just happened to google MN and find us. I think she's a regular - right?

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YonicScrewdriver · 22/08/2015 08:02

If you are reading Deborah - thanks!

abbieanders · 22/08/2015 08:00

By ftp romantic, I mean btw from of course.

abbieanders · 22/08/2015 07:59

I read some of the remarks ftp romantic the clammy coleslaws below the lone. Don't worry, Jeffrey has plenty of support from the assorted losers and weirdos who make up cif.

StitchandBitch · 22/08/2015 07:38

Great article, thanks for posting it OP. Couldn't resist reading below the line - argh - my blood pressure
But seriously, the anger directed at a mostly female space, which never fails to astound me, it must be rooted in fear and sheer inadequacy...

Have nc'ed due to being on the list.

Gruach · 21/08/2015 23:50

Thanks for flagging it up. (Lately I've been finding the Guardian rather comment heavy and the least interesting source of news - but that was reassuring.)

Have to say I've been quietly proud of the fact that we have not allowed ourselves to be silenced.

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JeanneDeMontbaston · 21/08/2015 23:32

I believe so - it is a crime.

And it must be a huge waste of police time, too.

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HeighHoghItsBacktoWorkIGo · 21/08/2015 23:29

Surely "swatting" people takes this situation from a nuisance to seriously criminal. If the police don't take harassing women seriously (and I don't know that they don't), then they surely take being manipulated and used themselves very seriously. Especially when it creates a dangerous situation.

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JeanneDeMontbaston · 21/08/2015 23:26

Yes. We won't be silenced.

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ChristineDePisan · 21/08/2015 23:20

Yes, it's trying to silence women who dare to put their head above the parapet (DO, the MNer who engaged with Jeffrey on Twitter the first time around), but if we all speak up, well, there just ain't enough armed police squads to go round

IndomitabIe · 21/08/2015 23:09

Bloody brilliant article.

But I'm just reading it while DH watches the Matrix, with Lawrence Fishburn's monologue on. So it was like Lawrence Fishburn was reading it. (Bizarre!)

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JeanneDeMontbaston · 21/08/2015 23:04

Good on your DD1, MsM!

thecat - YY, I agree.

christine - true, I guess. I never thought how it could or couldn't be scaled - I'd assumed the idea was to frighten women?

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BoreOfWhabylon · 21/08/2015 22:56

I expect police are well aware and have her address flagged.

ChristineDePisan · 21/08/2015 22:54

Of course she's a MNer!

Using swatting as a technique of silencing women isn't exactly a scalable model, is it? And I reckon DO is plenty used to the sorts of comments this article has received - though it doesn't make them any less vile

VivaLeBeaver · 21/08/2015 22:53

Sadly I think she's going to get swatted. Jeffrey has posted another swat team pic and says the media need to learn a lesson.

thecatfromjapan · 21/08/2015 22:47

How vile to try to intimidate a woman who speaks out publicly in defence of a woman-dominated, woman-run forum. Makes me feel proud of D.O. for coming out publicly, and humorously, pro-mn.

BoreOfWhabylon · 21/08/2015 22:43

She sooo is a MNer

Am a bit concerned for her - on the hacker's twitter there was a link to the article and then he twitted that 'the media' were next on his hit list (used the pic of a police raid that he's used before).

MsMermaid · 21/08/2015 22:42

It is a wonderful article. I've not read the comments either, I never do.

I've become older and hairier since I started mning. No closer to lesbianism (although dd1 has come out as being a lesbian, does that count?) and am slightly less fat too.

HeighHoghItsBacktoWorkIGo · 21/08/2015 22:36

Great article. Wish I hadn't read the comments, though.

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JeanneDeMontbaston · 21/08/2015 22:32

Let us celebrate the passing of the MNing years, then.

I just can't get over the fact someone has had police sent round to a person's home. Why?! And that article beautifully contextualised it for me.

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thecatfromjapan · 21/08/2015 22:27

YY. I think I've definitely become older, fatter, hairier and closer to lesbianism as my mn-ing years have rolled by!

And, yes, it has made me feel quite protective about mn too.

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JeanneDeMontbaston · 21/08/2015 22:24

Ooh - I'll go look if there are MNers on the comments.

But yes - why on earth do some people get up such anger and hatred?

It makes me feel very defensive and protective of MN, and especially MN FWR.

plays - YY, you're not wrong. Though, since I started posting on MN I have become progressively older, fatter, hairier, and closer to lesbianism. OTOH, I have no dungarees.

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PlaysWellWithOthers · 21/08/2015 22:19

It's a fabulous article.

Never read BTL.... it's infested with the type of person who thinks rape jokes are hilarious and women just need to get over it. Ot those who think that all feminists are old, fat, hairy, dungaree wearing lesbians. And think saying that they are is the height of wit.

thecatfromjapan · 21/08/2015 22:10

A good rule. I failed to follow it too, hazey. I'm a bit glad, though, because I think I spotted an mn-er or two on there.

I think a lot of the chaps who write in the comments section smell of sour milk and unwashed socks.

I am always astonished by how much ire mothers come in for. Intellectually, I know it, and I even understand why, but still ... it's a bit of a shock when you come across it being expressed.

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JeanneDeMontbaston · 21/08/2015 22:08

Isn't it?!

I just hope she knows how funny and on-point it is, because god knows I'm not going near the comments after what hazey warns.

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BertieBotts · 21/08/2015 22:05

The article is great :)

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