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Sexism ruining tv shows

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LegoLego23 · 19/08/2015 22:00

It's LegoComplex here, account's playing up!

Just wanted to vent! so angry, me and my dp watch supernatural just as a series to binge watch together. The last one we watched was so much bs i ended up walking out and missing the end.

The one thing that ruins that show for me, especially in particular episodes, is that a person's life is valued based on:

1 - their gender
2 - their looks

men's lives are worth nothing, similar to women who aren't young and attractive. So fustrating when this shite is aired, i just can't turn off to it!

Any other programmes to avoid or ones to recommend on this front?

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SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 20/08/2015 15:15

In fact, thinking about it Buffy is not unique in that. Generally, when a series is driven by well rounded female characters they also seem to be aimed at the teen/twentsomething age groups. Apart from the Good Wife, I can't think of many that are aimed at older audiences.

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 20/08/2015 15:12

I'm not disputing that it does have some issues, but it is symptomatic of the entertainment industry as a whole, and it's by no means the worst offender.

I didn't enjoy Buffy at all. I don't think I was the right demographic for it though.

bettyberry · 20/08/2015 14:55

I love supernatural. Though the characters have evolved massively and there are far fewer (compared to season 1) overtly sexist things, it still has them.

I'm a big fan. Huge. The only way to change sexist writing it open the doors for more great female/trans writers.

It's not the shows themselves but the industry as a whole.

Buffy is fabulous, I rewatched the whole lot again recently. A show that can make period pain useful ;) Firefly is cracking too but alas, 1 season only and no female lead but interesting female characters.

You could try Lost girl being another female fronted show. Although the lead is a succubus and it uses the female feeding of men with sex thing and she's got a damaged past too. Why do all female leads have a damaged past? You know, raped, abused etc.

The killing is great. The bridge also has a strong female character but paired with a male.

Borgen has a strong female lead too.

It really is hard to pick out the good from the bad.

shovetheholly · 20/08/2015 14:36

"You're looking for a hidden meaning where there is none."
"You're reading too much in"

Two of the great lines always used by people who don't know how to 'read' film and aren't very good at criticism.

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 20/08/2015 13:46

One more thing, if you're referring to the episode I think you are, the reason they didn't want to kill the female character wasn't because she was fuckable, but because she was an innocent person who'd never actually hurt anyone. If you want to be really geeky, it also showed how the characters have evolved from their early days of shoot first and worry about the ethics later.

As I said, I love Supernatural.

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 20/08/2015 13:40

Meh. I love Supernatural.

tippytap · 20/08/2015 13:34

Ffs, Disregarder. Piss off, why don't you?

YY to Dark Matter. Love that show.

Disregarder · 20/08/2015 12:47

Stop playing the victim, lots of shows show just as much men getting beaten up as women, it's usually a required part of the plot. You're looking for a hidden meaning where there is none. The radical feminism movement is not so important that every movie maker is out to offend them.

MyCatIsABiggerBastardThanYours · 20/08/2015 12:40

I agree with you OP.

I am always shocked as well at the amount if violence to women, often portrayed as the woman being a strong fighter, but in reality yet another opportunity to show women getting beaten up.

Disregarder · 20/08/2015 12:34

Don't like it, don't watch it. Stop being a prude. Simples.

shovetheholly · 20/08/2015 12:31

Sometimes you even get those shows that are supposed to have a strong female lead but are actually quite patronising about how she's portrayed. I just finished season 2 of Homeland and I would definitely put that in this category. It seems like a bunch of stereotypical cliches about an emotional, unstable woman (versus male ambition/male rationality) in need of a hell of a lot of male protection (the entire Saul character). I did not find it liberating!! Also, some of the writing was unbelievably bad.

But then there are very few shows where I do. Buffy would be one (though I have problems with it on race). Top of the Lake might be another. The Killing. Struggling to think of more... if anyone has recommendations, please do let me know as I do not think I can face Homeland season 3.

AmeliaNeedsHelp · 20/08/2015 10:39

I used to like supernatural too. Having only recently converted to feminism I find it somewhat irritating trying to watch my old (previously much loved) programmes. I think there are some less-sexist-than-average programmes around though.

My current favourite is Dark Matter. It's sci fi, three of the seven main characters are women, the ship's captain is a woman (and she's awesome), gender stereotypes seem largely ignored, and their sex isn't an important factor in the storylines (so far).

TheMaddestHatter · 19/08/2015 22:09

www.buzzfeed.com/alannabennett/supernatural-fridging-confronted#.dr7pPqW6eb

Misogyny was questioned during this year's comic con panel for supernatural. A lot of the cast feel the same way! Especially Mischa Collins who plays Castiel. Apparently he has often tweeted about the sexist writing.

LegoLego23 · 19/08/2015 22:02

oh and also if they're single. This episode was a woman, attractive AND single, so it didn't matter she'd killed 4 innocent people, they had to spend forever trying to work out how to save her because they couldn't possibly kill a fuckable female, and then a drawn out emotional affair over killing her, when Dean never cares about killing anyone, even woman if they're not gagging for it!

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