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Women do it too.

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BudgeUp · 19/08/2015 10:59

I'm feeling somewhat frustrated because I've just been talking to a friend about why that idiot felt the need to hack mumsnet and when I linked it to the wider issue of men (NAMALT) silencing women talking together online, her immediate response was "women hack just as much as men".

Similarly in the past when, for example, a newsworthy sex abuse/rape/DV/murder has been a topic of conversation there is always one who points out that women also abuse/rape/hit/murder.

Just like "Not all men" I find it incredibly derailing and am never sure how to respond to it without sounding like I completely hate men.

Sorry just wanted to vent.

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Mide7 · 19/08/2015 18:42

This is probably the wrong time to ask this but why is being an MRA seen in such a bad light?

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 19/08/2015 18:42

Yes, and the weird things they say. Attractive women can, literally, get away with murder - is that a thing people really believe? That thousands of women are out there murdering away, but no one does anything about it 'cause they're hot.

And for what it's worth, I have never murdered anyone. I use mind control to force poor, unsuspecting men to commit crimes for me.

BakingCookiesAndShit · 19/08/2015 18:32

Gosh what a lot of MRA dudebros we suddenly have posting.... I wonder why.

Fewer and fewer doubts that F4J or that weasel faced MB or their shitty ilk were behind the hacks now.

thatstoast · 19/08/2015 17:54

I murder people all the time and use my feminine wiles to avoid prosecution. Don't tell anyone though [girly giggle]

(Disclaimer: This post is a sarcastic place mark)

scallopsrgreat · 19/08/2015 17:48

Women make up 5% of the prison population.
96% of murders are committed by men.
98% of sexual violence is committed by men.

Are people really saying that those figures are skewed because women are 'more attractive' so aren't convicted?

Grin Grin Grin Grin

The Testicles of Objectivity are working overtime today.

abbieanders · 19/08/2015 17:45

They may be, but due to the appalling misandry that leads to women not being in charge, they can't capitalize on it.

BudgeUp · 19/08/2015 17:39

"for attractive people (i.e. women)"

Are men not attractive then?

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Qthirties · 19/08/2015 14:40

I think tiyife is right - no need to exaggerate what she's saying. For a given crime conviction rates for women, and for attractive people (i.e. women) truly are lower than for men. And this should be celebrated and used to our advantage.

We are less violent because we've been conditioned to respond to confrontation with submission and fear, and when we do strike back against abuse it tends to be that our smaller bodies can do less damage against larger men, which is why women in abusive relationships should familiarise themselves with the use of defensive weapons around the home.

cailindana · 19/08/2015 13:58

See, like tiyife who honestly believes it's possible for thousands of women to murder men and for absolutely no one to notice it.

MadFatRunner · 19/08/2015 13:56

we must be awesome at covering our tracks and hiding the bodies of our boyfriends and husbands if we are violent as often and as lethally as men are

tiyife · 19/08/2015 13:36

"someone who can look at the world we're in and genuinely believe that women and men perpetrate the same amount of crime and violence is clearly not open to actual facts."

I can believe it. The only difference is female perps tend to get away with it more, especially if they are white and reasonable attractive.

cailindana · 19/08/2015 12:47

The only response to someone who says that is 'do you really believe that?'

There's no point in discussing it - someone who can look at the world we're in and genuinely believe that women and men perpetrate the same amount of crime and violence is clearly not open to actual facts.

MilchandCookies · 19/08/2015 11:31

And when they say "Women do it too", they expect you to back down and admit that women are as much the perpetrators of violence as men, without any actual facts to back it up with. Daily Mail anecdotes are offered as evidence, and you are naive or man-hating to suggest otherwise.

I have a lot of friends/family who do this. Drives me nuts.

BudgeUp · 19/08/2015 11:10

Exactly Rhinestone. If you look at the stats of who does what to whom there is certainly a gender imbalance but it seems to be impossible to try to address that issue without appearing like a man hater.

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RhinestoneCowgirl · 19/08/2015 11:02

You're not alone. I find it intensely irritating too. The thing with the 'not all men' is it feels like it's squashing the conversation that you were trying to have about those particular men who were doing XYZ