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Women do it too.

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BudgeUp · 19/08/2015 10:59

I'm feeling somewhat frustrated because I've just been talking to a friend about why that idiot felt the need to hack mumsnet and when I linked it to the wider issue of men (NAMALT) silencing women talking together online, her immediate response was "women hack just as much as men".

Similarly in the past when, for example, a newsworthy sex abuse/rape/DV/murder has been a topic of conversation there is always one who points out that women also abuse/rape/hit/murder.

Just like "Not all men" I find it incredibly derailing and am never sure how to respond to it without sounding like I completely hate men.

Sorry just wanted to vent.

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MaillotRojoPan · 20/08/2015 13:23

Disregarder - if you have a look around you'll see to what extent the 'ropes of life' are under the control of the male of the sexes. IF you disagree maybe you could provide some evidence at all i.e. where there is a female domination? There may be some but few and far between. And it's a bit concerning that you can achieve adult hood and not grasp the dynamics and incidence of violence in society.

And as I am possessor of a very fine Y-chromosome I don't fit the 'play victim' bit either.

Disregarder · 20/08/2015 12:28

"Given that men 'control' just about every facet of society" what a load of anti-male crap that was. I can't believe that in the 21st century we still have people determined to play victim and pretend they don't have equality. Bonus points to the people who say that women have more right to be afraid of men than the other way around because "more men are violent than women", you couldn't make this crap up.

LumpySpacedPrincess · 20/08/2015 09:57

Gosh, it's almost like these men have a bit of a grudge against women, especially perty ones.

BreakingDad77 · 20/08/2015 09:36

Its just petty an unfortunately they (media) will often get a female doc to back up this 'science' to feed mens 'logic' argument. (it actually grates now when I see a guy posting his 'logic')

Im sure some pets have attacked there owners but to somehow argues that this equates with all the pets abused/harmed by their owners would seem bonkers.

YonicScrewdriver · 20/08/2015 09:26

Wineplease, stop talking sense. I warned you once and now I'm gojng to have to strafe you with bullets. From my tit guns, of course.

passmethewineplease · 20/08/2015 09:05

Sorry I have to laugh at all these beautiful women murdering people and literally nothing being heard or said about it.

You just cannot have the conversation about violence against women without someone saying yeah but women can abuse too. I don't understand why they can't be delegate issues, when you merge them it feels like it is minimising male on female abuse.

YonicScrewdriver · 20/08/2015 08:52

Stop posting facts, ya big FWR meanies!

Wink
IamTheWhoreofBabylon · 20/08/2015 08:48

All the female murders must be highly intelligent to hide the bodies and erase lives so well
Its almost like the crimes have never happened

CheezyBlasters · 20/08/2015 08:47

I believe it is the case that women are more likely to be imprisoned for less serious offences. I just googled to see if I was correct and there is a site called rethinking crime and punishment that confirms this.

G1veMeStrength · 20/08/2015 08:24

Shit, am I getting it wrong? I murder men with a flutter of my eyelashes and hide their bodies in my cleavage. I thought we all did?

MaillotRojoPan · 20/08/2015 08:19

Oh grow up sonny - those 'statistics' only exist in your own small head.

BudgeUp · 20/08/2015 07:36

I mean don't get me wrong. I'm not under any illusion that women are angels. They are, like all humans, diverse in their personalities, opinions and actions...

But Sonny, if you are correct then there has to be one hell of a cover up going on. When I turn the TV on in the morning it is rare to hear of a woman killing/raping a man. The other way round yes, that is a normal news day. Now I'm willing to believe that is a huge cover up if you could supply me with 1) credible evidence from established organisations 2) a reason.

What would the reason to cover up such an enormous amount of female crime? Because as far as I can see whenever a woman does kill a man it is very widely reported, analysed and commented on by the media.

I am sympathetic to you if you're a man because the imbalance in the gender of perpetrators of crime must make you feel uncomfortable. But no one is asking you to feel uncomfortable about it, just to not deny it exists.

Does that make sense?

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jsommer7345 · 20/08/2015 05:54

How about nobody hacks? Why make this an equal gender thing when it is illegal and negative.

YonicScrewdriver · 20/08/2015 01:08

Incorrect I'm afraid

sonnyson12 · 20/08/2015 00:17

For every seven victims of domestic violence, four will be women, three will be men.

The oft quoted 'two women are killed by men a week' is inaccurate, it is less.

One man is killed per week by a woman.

Family annihilator perpetrators are equally women and men.

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 20/08/2015 00:01

That's it Pan!

I've never seen MRAs campaigning for eg: more funding for the treatment of mens' health problems, or for refuges for men, or more paternity leave. They just complain that women aren't doing those things. The thing is, when women wanted refuges, better health care, the right to vote, etc. they went out and made that happen. MRAs can't call themselves a movement that works for men if they sit back and expect someone else to do all the hard work for them.

MaillotRojoPan · 19/08/2015 21:30

MRA suff - usually it isn't all about men's rights, its almost always about an anti-female agenda. Given that men 'control' just about every facet of society, it makes one wonder about the need for an MRA movement.

MRAs never, I mean never ,talk about men helping themselves - when the need is clear - but focus on the fault of females, when we have such an easy path for self-sustaining. Unfortunately our young men still buy into it, unless someone ( usually a male) sits in front of them to explain in some detail why that just doesn't work.

Mide7 · 19/08/2015 19:33

Certainly is Yonic and not to worry baking. I think it's a good example of what MRA seem to stand for.

BakingCookiesAndShit · 19/08/2015 19:28

And sorry Mide, if pointing you to those sites made you unhappy/angry, but it was the quickest way of demonstrating what MREs really believe.

YonicScrewdriver · 19/08/2015 19:25

Every day's a school day, Mide!

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 19/08/2015 19:08

And if, IIRC, the AVFM chap once wrote an article in which he fantasised about repeatedly punching a woman in the face.

BakingCookiesAndShit · 19/08/2015 19:02

The other one is owned by a man who's ex wife is in hiding.

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 19/08/2015 18:56

returnofkings is owned by a man who doesn't like to wipe his bum, and who thinks rape should be legal on private property.

Mide7 · 19/08/2015 18:56

Thanks baking, I assumed it was the male equivalent of feminism. Turns out it's not.

BakingCookiesAndShit · 19/08/2015 18:48

Go have a look at sites like avoiceformen or returnofkings and when you've had the wash you'll feel you'll need after reading some of that shite, you'll know, Mide.