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Healthy living support thread for feminists

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SeraOfeliaFalfurrias · 16/08/2015 18:11

In response to a few discussions we've had down the pub - there are some of us who are striving for better health through better diets and more exercise, but who struggle among the usual support groups where it's all about looking better rather than good health. And it certainly can be tricky as a feminist, walking that fine line between not conforming to beauty ideals through dieting and making sure you actually look after your body through a healthy lifestyle.

So here is a support thread for those of us who are trying to eat better and get more exercise.

Me, I could do with losing a bit over 2 stone to get back to a healthy weight. I had an ankle injury after running a marathon about 3 years back, and between not being able to exercise and the stress of my PhD (I'm a stress binge eater) I gained 3 stone and lost all my hard-earned fitness. I'm finally getting back on track, I've lost nearly a stone and am hitting the exercise hard again. The hardest bit has been getting back into running - while my ankle is better, my joints are really feeling the extra weight I'm carrying. It's also hard to do karate when your wobble gets in the way of you doing a good kick and you get out of breath when sparring. So I need to lose weight in order to enjoy my sports hobbies again. I'm taking it slowly, doing Slimming World but not religiously - I'm not in a hurry to lost the weight, but I also need to watch that I don't take it so slowly that it never happens!

Yesterday I ran 8km, which is really encouraging as I was still going strong at the end. Just a couple of months ago I was run/walking 5km and would have welcomed death at the end! So I feel like some kind of switch has been flipped and my body now "remembers" how to run. The down side is that both ankles are aching and stiff today.

My diet has been rather rubbish the last couple of weeks, including a few binges, and I put some pounds back on, but I'm in that good place mentally now and hopefully ready to focus on getting my body healthy again. I loved being lean and fit and athletic, and I'm not getting any younger (thoroughly middle-aged), so I feel like the window of opportunity for getting myself in a sustained state of good health without drastic measures being required is closing!

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5by5 · 28/08/2015 09:05

Yeah, I didn't appreciate that either scallops, but I'm hoping that now he's given us his gracious blessing he won't bother us again.

I'll be asking you how you got on with your run, so get yourself out there :)

It's true Sera, labelling like that of any sort can be really damaging. I love dancing now, and would have loved to learn when I was younger, but somehow it was decided it wasn't 'me', so it didn't happen. I'm still intending to take classes at some point, but paying out too much at the gym to add on extras elsewhere.

Also, so many people, girls in particular, get put off sport at school because of the horrors of PE and don't realise for years, if ever, that there are other ways of doing it that can actually be quite fun.

scallopsrgreat · 28/08/2015 08:56

Well having done quite a bit of exercise at the weekend - plenty of hill walking and things, I've done fuck all this week. I also need to cut down on the sugars! I am going to do my first C25K run this weekend. See I've told you I am so now I'm going to have to do it!!

Can I also say I'm uncomfortable about the men on this thread telling us what they think we should be doing, what we should look like or what our motivations should be. We get enough of that in RL. This isn't about you or what you may think.

SeraOfeliaFalfurrias · 28/08/2015 08:53

Morning all! Welcome fem!

I had a though this morning, along the lines of Postino talking about how her mum has influenced her eating habits. I was thinking about posting my schedule of activities and thought "gosh, that makes it sound like I'm really sporty, the group is going to get the wrong impression about who I am". But them I thought, no, actually, I am sporty. But when I was growing up, I wasn't very good at the sports they made us do at school. Then my mum, for all that she was a PE teacher and did loads of sport herself, was only ever interested in racquet/ball sports, and I'm not very good at those. So as a child, I was the "academic" one while my brother was the "sporty" one. I was labelled useless, my mum refused to even try playing tennis or anything with me and made me go practice against the wall while she played my brother. And I've discussed cycling upthread.

It wasn't until I was nearly 30 that I took up running, and then discovered I was actually okay at it - I placed middle of the pack (men and women) in most races, got quite good at cycling, I am good at karate, I swam for my school team team at one point so could probably have taken that further.

So yes. I am sporty. It just took me a long time to find the activities I really enjoy and am okay at. But being told I was "useless" at sport my entire childhood has certainly left me with serious exercise-based imposter syndrome!

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femfortheday · 28/08/2015 08:08

Hello, hope it's ok to join in? I've been doing slimming world for a bit, lost nearly a stone, so two more to go to get me in the middle of a healthy weight range. I can already feel some of the benefits; my joints feel less sore. Been running sporadically since a half marathon in April, but have a 10k in a couple of weeks so shout pull my finger out a bit. Something I have been doing is keeping a bit of a diary; just bullet points about what I did and what I ate and why, what I was feeling when I ate it. Helping me to reflect on my feelings and find better ways of coping.
Thanks for the link Sera, will have a look after I've fed the small child.

jsommer7345 · 28/08/2015 07:54

Ahh yes... the days when we were 18 and could eat donuts and not gain a pound. Well, I know I just run every single day for 30 minutes. I am a high energy kind of guy. I also, for the last 5 years, been doing the Blood Type Diet by D.Adamo. For me, I lost weight fast just adhering to the "beneficial" list he provides of certain foods.

I know my wife isn't the skinniest women in the room, but I love her all the same. I am happy that feminists are looking at the healthy lifestyle part and not the skinny part... because you can be skinny and pretty sick in the body or mind. Smile

feckityfeck · 28/08/2015 07:53

The hamstrings are feeling better thanks Sera Grin. After a rest on Tuesday I was at the gym on Wednesday and went to a kickboxing class yesterday, which didn't leave me feeling as broken as it has done in the past, so progress has been made. And I'm starting to get a better idea of what I need to do to push myself at the gym. Actually enjoying being red-faced and sweaty by the end...

6 different homemade cakes would test the best of us - I think a 26 mile round trip on the bike will retrospectively earn you a bit of cake though! Plus the body pump, parkrun, karate etc. That's quite a schedule you've got going on.

I'm looking forward to taking dd1 to her first taekwondo class tomorrow. It's a family training session but apparently there are only a couple of other adults training, so I'm not sure how it's going to work, but it's mostly for dd rather than me anyway so hope she likes it.

DH is catching my exercise enthusiasm bug - when I went out to the kickboxing class last night he put the 30 day shred on after the dds were in bed. He said it was good, though Gillian's motivational chat about jeans shopping and swimsuit shopping didn't quite hit the target Grin

Thanks for the link, it looks interesting.

YonicScrewdriver · 28/08/2015 07:32

That's a good idea to leave something little on the plate, sera.

I am on holiday so no gym but did do a hilltop walk yesterday.

SeraOfeliaFalfurrias · 27/08/2015 23:45

This is very interesting. It's a blog from PLoS (Public Library of Science, a big and well-respected scientific publisher) called Obesity Panacea, which blogs about actual recent scientific research into health and weight loss. I haven't got time to look at it too closely this evening but I will definitely try to read more of it over the weekend.

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SeraOfeliaFalfurrias · 27/08/2015 23:18

Right, finally got a couple of minutes to chat. Things are okay here, I had lots of great resolve this morning to get back on track after last weekend's holiday and a gain on the scales. So I made myself a very healthy lunch for work. Unfortunately there was a leaving do at work at tea time, which involved 6 different home-made cakes! So while meals were good today, cake was a bit of a blip! I did go to Body Pump this evening, am cycling to work tomorrow (13 miles each way) and will ParkRun plus karate on Saturday. Sunday off, then Body Combat and Body Pump on Monday evening. Sorted.

PELVIC FLOOR!

Welcome to Mustard, Jenny, PurpleDaisies (I did write a post to you when you joined but it never showed up - boo!), bigkids, slightly and Postino!

How are your various aches and pains, feckity? I'm afraid I don't know anything about ratios. But as well as helping you hold your tum flat, a good strong core is the basis for pretty much all your strength, and helps prevent back injury too. It just supports the whole body as it works, so doing those crunches is always a good ideal.

Amelia, I can't have snacks in the house either. We don't miss them really, and while on the one hand I sometimes think it's unfair for the DDs that they don't get snacks because of my issues, on the other hand, they still seem to end up getting sweets or treats on a fairly regular basis, so I don't think they're missing out.

Postino, I think there are probably loads of women who support their husbands doing some sporting hobby but feel guilty carving out the time away from the family for doing their own exercise. As you day, it stems from being taught that our needs are secondary. But you need to do it anyway. Aside from the need to look after yourself for your own sake, if you're healthy and have more energy you're better able to look after your family anyway. From a feminist perspective that's a rubbish reason to go to the gym, but realistically, sometimes we need reasons like that to help us break our conditioning and even consider making our health a priority.

It seems a few of us have issues with 'clean your plate'. I read somewhere that it can be very helpful for weight loss to deliberately always leave something on your plate, even if it's just a forkful. It helps to break the habit of clearing your plate and makes you actively think about whether you've had enough. I think I might start doing it again, actually.

So, it's very quiet in here, where is everyone? Out running/at the gym I hope! (well, maybe not at this time of night...)

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Postino · 27/08/2015 12:27

I'd really like to join this thread. I'm still carrying half a stone of baby weight (on hips/bum) which is making me feel less fit and strong than I was pre-dc.

I believe my habits of snacking when not hungry and avoiding exercise are linked to a slight feeling of unimportance, which is connected to women's issues. If I may get a little deep here, my dm had been taught, and believed, that women were much less important than men and treated my dsis and I accordingly. I don't blame her but I wish she'd challenged her belief. I was brought up by her alone with very little input from others so she shaped my opinion of myself.

Hope that wasn't too self-indulgent!

Anyway, I mostly stick to the paleo diet since I found it resolved an autoimmune condition many years ago. I want to stick to that more carefully. Also want to start running again to feel the strength I used to have in my legs, when I was able to run half-marathons.

SeraOfeliaFalfurrias · 25/08/2015 22:44

Hello everyone! My poor little brain forgot all about this group in the holiday aftermath. We did lots of walking while I was away but ate loads of rubbish. I've done better today but still not back in the zone. But I'm booked for Body Combat tomorrow morning, Body Pump Thursday evening and am planning a parkrun on Saturday. Plus my usual 26-mile round-trip cycle commute on Friday (strictly Fridays only!). So that's 4 solid days of exercise, and keeping active always helps me eat better.

I need to drink more water too. I've found that the more dehydrated I am, the more I confuse thirst with hunger and end up eating lots of pointless snacks.

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feckityfeck · 25/08/2015 14:37

And CLENCH!

Well done Yonic. I'm taking small steps on the clean plate problem - took the dds for hot chocolate and teacakes this morning and dd1 left a quarter of hers, I was hungry and it took some resisting I didn't hoover it up.

Anyone know about hip/waist ratios? Since I've lost weight my BMI is 23 but my hip/waist ratio is pretty high. Part of me thinks I'm at a disadvantage because I'm just not curvy like that, I've never had much of a waist, pretty much straight up and down. Also if I measure across my belly button then it's high (0.88), but if I measure at the narrowest point, where I feel my waist is, it's okish (0.82). I definitely need to work on my abs anyway as everything seems to hang out if I'm not actively holding my tummy in.

Also, my hamstrings still hurt.

YonicScrewdriver · 25/08/2015 14:15

Left half my burger and chips because it was (a) huge and (b) not nice. Breaking the clean plate cycle!

PELVIC FLOOR!

feckityfeck · 24/08/2015 14:06

I'm suffering today. I did a class at the gym on Saturday that involved lots of squats and strength training, and my ham strings are still hurting. The stretching at the end of the class was a bit halfhearted so I blame that. I went for a swim yesterday and have been back to the gym this morning hoping to loosen up but it hasn't worked, so maybe I just need to rest instead...

I still don't know about signing up to the 10K. I'm a bit of a wuss when it comes to running outside, it has to be not too hot, not too cold, and definitely not raining or I just can't get myself out there. I did get into getting up at 5.30am and going then, which I liked - not enough time to talk yourself out of going. But that was mostly because I found myself waking up at 5.30 anyway, I'm not sure I could set the alarm.

slightlyglitterpaned · 23/08/2015 21:25

Marking place on here, as I could really do with finding time for some exercise but keep putting it off.

AmeliaNeedsHelp · 22/08/2015 21:59

I found that having dinner at the table really helped me cut down on volume of food. So we actually sit, talk to each other and take our time. And I've really battled my inner 'finish what's on your plate' demons. Stopping when you start to feel full sounds really normal, but is actually something I've found hard to do. I understand the mentality - we grew up poor so mum had to make sure we were full, but it has been a real challenge to overcome the urge to Never Waste Food.

We've also stopped buying snacks, because when they aren't in the house we don't miss them.

PurpleDaisies · 22/08/2015 20:05

It's helped me to stop using food as a treat or a pick me up. I bought some really nice tea instead. I've stopped having crisps in the house because I can't resist them. I've started buying them one packet at a time when I really want them or in coffee shops which is phenomenally more expensive but I actually eat and enjoy them rather than shovelling them in completely mindless just because they are there.

I'm also toying with signing up for a 10k feckity. Now I've finished the c25k I've lost my running mojo a bit. Having something specific to train for would be great but the distance is literally double what I've done before so it's a bit scary. Today I've been to body combat which makes me feel like a ninja. It also makes me ache all over so I'm not looking forward to tomorrow...

bigkidsdidit · 22/08/2015 18:59

No no it's ok feckity Grin

A lot of it is utterly mindless. And once I've had a wine i just nibble. I need to stop drinking so much too

One step at a time though! I have netball on Monday, new season starting, so that's good Smile

Mide7 · 22/08/2015 18:53

Something that helped me lose weight was to have something like flavoured water when I fancied "something nice". Obviously it's not the same but you can trick yourself into thinking your having something better.

feckityfeck · 22/08/2015 18:48

Sorry bigkids, I didn't mean to shut you down. My guesses would be something like habit, or the symbolism of a Friday night treat? Were you eating while watching tv or a film or something? I know that feeling of not really being mindful of what you're eating when you're focused on something else - at the cinema and you look down and you've finished that box of malteasers without even realising.

bigkidsdidit · 22/08/2015 17:44

Sorry no - I meant for eg - last night dh and I ate a whole tub of Ben and Jerry's between us. We felt bad because we are overweight at he moment. We were already full from our lovely dinner. It wasn't that enjoyable an experience, really.

I know almost everyone does it, I just want to think a bit more about why I do it.

feckityfeck · 22/08/2015 17:31

Oh me too, boredom eating, definitely. Just imagined for a sec that bigkids was eating and grimacing because she was hating it, or something. Yeah, it doesn't make sense now I think about it.

YonicScrewdriver · 22/08/2015 17:26

I'm the same feckity - it's something I do when bored etc.

feckityfeck · 22/08/2015 17:23

Or rather, actively don't enjoy it. Bit of a different emphasis I suppose.

I'll just keep waffling in my corner over here ---->

feckityfeck · 22/08/2015 17:20

How do you mean you don't actively enjoy it?